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Old 04-15-2007, 08:02 AM   #1
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In today's WOD I did 50/50/50/55/60 kgs jerks. My 1RM shoulder press from last week was 60kg. Should I be jerking more than my 1RM shoulder press or is this totally unrelated?

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Old 04-15-2007, 09:39 AM   #2
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once you're familiar with the movement, yes, you should be able to jerk far more than you press--the point of the jerk is that it allows you to use your hips, which are of course much stronger (or should be) than your shoulders/arms alone), to help elevate the bar, as well as to shorten the distance the shoulders/arms must press it by lowering your body before lockout.
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Old 04-15-2007, 09:40 AM   #3
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I jerk more than I press. If you are driving with your legs like you're supposed to, you should be able to jerk more than you press.
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Old 04-15-2007, 09:59 AM   #4
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Thanks folks

I guess it's practice, practice, practice for the jerk technique then.

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Old 04-15-2007, 10:06 AM   #5
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Is there an approximate ideal ratio between press/push-press/jerk?

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Old 04-15-2007, 02:16 PM   #6
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Not really. The ratio will just reflect each individuals strengths or weaknesses. E.g. if an athlete can press as much or more than he jerks, I'd say his shoulders/arms are strong, his legs or technique are weak, or a combination of both.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:46 PM   #7
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Yes, you should be able to jerk a lot more than you press. The inability to do so is usually the result of poor technique, i.e. not recruiting the legs & hips. Also in new lifters it's psychological. They are afraid to put that much weight over their heads. Also some people have a mental block about pushing themselves under the weight vs. pushing the weight up. Lot's of technical practice with light weight will help.

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Old 04-17-2007, 08:24 AM   #8
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Caveat to the above - you should be able to jerk more than you can press - for one rep! If you are doing a set of 10 jerks, you might only be able to do as much as your 1 RM in the press. i.e. you're comparing apples to oranges in my opinion. I can jerk way more than I can shoulder press - for singles. That is, i can split jerk 245, but only sp 170, for the reasons noted above. But I would not be surprised if I could only push jerk for 5 reps (for 5 sets, as with the WoD) the same or even less than I can press for 1 rep.
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:24 PM   #9
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I've seen 30% a couple of places for the expected increases for both shoulder press->push press, and push press->jerk. So almost 70% between a strict shoulder press, and a full push jerk.

Though of course, as Dale mentioned you better be comparing the same # of reps for each.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:57 PM   #10
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Just to throw my numbers out there.

PRs from before i injured elbow:
Press: 205
Push Press: 245-255, i think.
Push Jerk: 285

205<245<285. Whatever that ratio works out to.

My favorite WOD to work all three, and really drive home the differences:

WOD from 051214

Five rounds for time of:
95 pound Shoulder press, 5 reps
95 pound Push press, 10 reps
95 pound Push jerk, 15 reps

Post time to comments.(scale weight if needed)

No hips or legs in shoulder press, no jerking the push-press.
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