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Old 11-07-2008, 10:19 AM   #11
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

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Box jumping for height is more of a gimmick, a party trick. You only really do it to have a contest with friends. It does require some coordination and timing but no significant athletic ability.
Is your point that the measurement is not used anywhere? As in, you don't tell a football recruiter your max box jump to get on the team.

Or is the point that both opening AND closing the hip explosively is not a useful athletic ability?

If it's the first, I understand, if it's the second, I think that's arguable. There's something that we do around here that requires closing the hip quickly...
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:31 AM   #12
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

The box jump is definitely more of a skill thing and vert better indicator of power. For me I can do disproportionately high box jumps relative to vert. Folks with noticeably higher verts can't box jump as high as I can because of timing and flexibility issues. Of course when we go really high we have nice padded boxes for it. :-)
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:41 AM   #13
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

I think that 42" would be a good standard for most people to shoot for. The highest box jump I've ever done was 49 inches, but that was from the ground onto the toolbox of my truck (diamond-stamped steel - a little intimidating). I'd like to test my max sometime in a safer environment. We're talking from a stand, right, not with a run or walk-up?

I think that a regular squat clean is a better indicator than the C&J.

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Height: 5'11"
Weight: 165
Max clean: 190 (pre-starting strength - probably higher now)
Max box jump: 49"
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:06 PM   #14
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

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Box jumping for height is more of a gimmick, a party trick. You only really do it to have a contest with friends. It does require some coordination and timing but no significant athletic ability.
Who doesn't like party tricks? Like roger said, it's more skill than power, but so is a standing back tuck (back flip with no hands), and a standing back tuck is freakin cool! (and yes, I know that actual gymnasts don't consider this very hard. It's still cool.)

As for height standards . . . there's something to be said for absolutes: being able to jump from a stand onto a 4 ft fence is pretty cool, but maybe we could break this into a % height thing? Or even better, a % of hip height to account for the long legged among us. The bony protrusion at my hip that is part of my femur (called the Greater Trochanter, Thanks Wikipedia! [WFS]) is 36" off the ground (total height 71"). So, if we somewhat inaccurately assumed this 0.51 hip/height ratio were constant for the other posters on this thread their box jump height as a percentage of their hip height would break down as follows:


Herm Blancaflor: 125%
Benjamin Smith: 136%
Ron Horn: 136%
Anthony Bainbridge: 149% or 152% (said box jump was 51" or 52")
Brian Degenaro: "Like 150%" (said his box jump was 'like 50"' Got height off blog)


As I said, it's my opinion that percent of hip height is better than percent total height, and since I don't have that measurement it's really just correlated to total height, but you get the idea. I'd guess that the only persons who's number would actually change much if leg length were exactly included would be Ron Horn's, with his height of 6' 3".

And looks like, from these numbers, a box jump 150% of your hip height would be pretty badass (that would be a 54" box jump for me. Eesh. Stand by for a post from me on saturday describing the injury I incurred trying to see how close I could get, haha).
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:41 PM   #15
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

Thanks everyone for the responses; there is some good discussion here.

I guess this brings up another question: will doing lots of high box jumps at max or near-max height have any significant benefit to power, strength, or speed? The AgainFaster video showed how it helps explosiveness for the clean, but can I expect to clean more by working on really high box jumps? (I have equipment access issues and can't lift as frequently as I want because otherwise I'd just clean more to get better at cleaning, obviously.)

Last night I did box jumps 5x5 at 36" just for fun after my WOD. Probably could have gone over 40" easily. Any benefit to this type of workout?
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:55 PM   #16
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

I like to do multiple response box jumps for power/speed/plyos rather than just box jumps. The problem I have with max height box jumps is that you can't quite do it for multiple reps [fast]. It helps you determine what box height works best for you in training though.

Regarding mutiple response box jumps, these are box jumps where to immediately do something afterwards rather than just standing up. So immediately after jumping onto the box you perform a vertical jump or broad jump. To make things even more complex you would do jumps onto a low box immediately onto an even higher one or into a sandpit for distance.

I consider box jumps more of a tool than a test. Is that better clarification, Shane?
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:58 PM   #17
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

Again, what's decent for one bloke ain't decent for another and this has to do with height.

My box jump would not be as impressive if Rog did it. I base most of my ranking of vert height as a factor of percentage of body height. With a box jump, it gets down to how high you can tuck more so than jump.

36-40 isn't bad, I think. That's as high as the kitchen counter, which I'm sure I could do if I cleaned all the stuff off. Most of the tables in the house are around 28" and that would be an average jump for my height ( roughly 3 inches shorter than my hip ). A few years ago, I was trying to jump up to a Balance Beam but could only make the shorter than regulation medium beam.
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:39 PM   #18
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

The best possible application of box jumping prowess is just hanging out with a bunch of guys, daring each other to jump onto/over things like cars, picnic tables, etc. from a standstill.

I wouldn't expect box jump practice to translate to increased C&J, but I have seen my standing vertical increase (which helps with box jumps) with squat and clean training. Running vertical doesn't seem to be impacted as substantially, though I've seen a difference there, too.
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Old 11-10-2008, 06:36 PM   #19
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

For those saying box jumps are only good for showing off:

How is a barbell deadlift (to most of you) any different?

I can certainly think of situations (like running around the woods, hurdling tacklers in sports, etc) where having a naughty box jump is very important.
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Old 11-10-2008, 06:40 PM   #20
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Re: What's a good max box jump?

Box jump is not important!? parkour anyone?
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