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Old 02-09-2014, 01:56 PM   #11
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Re: The definition of being "big"

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I think you're simply approaching CF the wrong way. If you're a competitive level athlete, you should only be doing strictly CF WODs if your goal is to compete in CF.
Sorry, but what? That is completely wrong.

Unless you either wrote that wrong or I misunderstood you.
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Old 02-09-2014, 02:36 PM   #12
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Sorry, but what? That is completely wrong.

Unless you either wrote that wrong or I misunderstood you.
Agreed.

Doing only CF WODs wouldn't have worked out too well for those interested in doing well in the ocean swim and/or triathlon that was thrown at the athletes in the last couple of Games.

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Old 02-09-2014, 02:37 PM   #13
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Re: The definition of being "big"

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I think you're simply approaching CF the wrong way. If you're a competitive level athlete, you should only be doing strictly CF WODs if your goal is to compete in CF. Saying a power lifter wouldn't win a title by CFing is certainly true but that's the exact opposite of CFs goal. CF is designed not to specialize in any one area so why would a specialist train exclusively CF?

CF doesn't position themselves as the best way to train, regardless of your goals.
Absolutely not.

If you're a competitive crossfitter and the wods you do never program double unders, or hand stand walks and those pop up you're screwed. If you're goal is to just be fit then you can get away with cf wods but if you want to be good at CrossFit you need to have a lot of specialization.
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Old 02-09-2014, 02:51 PM   #14
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Re: The definition of being "big"

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CrossFit DOES define fit (I know this definition off the top of my head since I got my l1 last weekend). "Work capacity across broad time and modal domains." In other words, if you drew a curve with time domain in the x axis and work done in the y axis, according to CF the person with the greatest area under the curve (greatest integral of W with respect to t for calculus people out there), also known as "power," would be the fittest person.

That's a pretty specific definition, and has nothing to do with how big or ripped someone is besides how your curve may skew.
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Hakan, don't confuse LOOKING fit with BEING fit. For people that compete at CrossFit LOOKING fit is only a nice byproduct of BEING fit, it's not the goal of their training.

The very origins of CF and what helped it take off was the idea that fitness could be measured objectively using the definition Jeff listed and that improving that measure of fitness is a more worthy goal than being vascular or having big biceps.

If you want to get bigger or more ripped that's fine, but CrossFit is based around the idea of measurable fitness, not aesthetics. And, yes, you need to do a lot more heavy lifting than comes up on the mainpage (along with heavy eating) to be big, by pretty much any definition.
You guys are right. English is not my main language and maybe i couldn't explain myself well enough. I'm aware crossfit is about being fit and being fit is about your performance, not about your looks. But as David mentioned, my question was about "looking fit" with crossfit and it's definitions by crossfit.

People mostly have physical expectations when they start doing sports. When i started crossfit, looking fit was more important to me than being fit, than it changed but looking good is still a very important part of being an athlete. I don't think anybody accept being the fittest person in the world while looking like 500 lbs little polar bear. That's why i am wondering what main site wods offer people in terms of "looking fit" and what is looking fit according to crossfit community.

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If by "crossfit WODs" you mean metcons then no probably not. As you've already mentioned I can't really think of a top level athlete who doesn't do strength work. Strength is a part of CF as much as anything else. If all you do is conditioning work then you're really not doing CF anymore anyways.
I am so confused about metcons, strengths, etc. What is crossfit ? Cffb and many programs have strength + metcon style of wods which i believe the best and most effective style of programming, but main site wods doesn't have seperated metcon and strength sessions, neither my local box. So i'm not doing crossfit ? Sometimes i think Rippetoe is right, we have a lot of randomness in crossfit.

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Old 02-09-2014, 04:04 PM   #15
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Re: The definition of being "big"

Have you read the CF Foundations PDF yet?
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Old 02-09-2014, 05:29 PM   #16
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Have you read the CF Foundations PDF yet?
Second that.

You say people start sports with the expectation of looking a certain way... That may be true in some cases (not mine but of course I'm n=1), but do the sports of football, or soccer, or basketball or any other organized sport have a specified definition of what you're supposed to look like?

CF in fact specifically states that asethics is not the goal, but that form follows function. So I suppose in a way they do define what you're supposed to look like.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:13 PM   #17
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So I suppose in a way they do define what you're supposed to look like.
Being a bit facetious here, and always cynical...

Considering that over half of Americans are "overweight" and around a third of Americans are "obese," then I would say at a minimum, that one APPEARANCE goal of Crossfit is to "not look like the average American."

I think it's pretty fair to think that the expectation to be "lean and muscular" as a Crossfitter is pretty well implied though. You're lifting weights or making functional bodyweight movements at a pace that causes you to sweat your *** off... "Lean and muscular" is pretty much the only end result possible. Maybe that doesn't mean "big" like Jason Khalipa, or maybe not even "big" like Froning or Bailey, but it does have that implication.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:31 PM   #18
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Sorry, but what? That is completely wrong.

Unless you either wrote that wrong or I misunderstood you.
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Agreed.

Doing only CF WODs wouldn't have worked out too well for those interested in doing well in the ocean swim and/or triathlon that was thrown at the athletes in the last couple of Games.

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Saying "CF WODs" was too restrictive but I was really coming at the OP from the other direction. As in a person who wants to compete as a power lifter or triathlete shouldn't be training only CF. Basically that CF is its own sport and if your playing/competing a different sport than you might get some benefit from incorporating some CF stuff into your training but training for CF won't get you to the elite level in a specialist sport.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:36 PM   #19
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Being a bit facetious here, and always cynical...

Considering that over half of Americans are "overweight" and around a third of Americans are "obese," then I would say at a minimum, that one APPEARANCE goal of Crossfit is to "not look like the average American."

I think it's pretty fair to think that the expectation to be "lean and muscular" as a Crossfitter is pretty well implied though. You're lifting weights or making functional bodyweight movements at a pace that causes you to sweat your *** off... "Lean and muscular" is pretty much the only end result possible. Maybe that doesn't mean "big" like Jason Khalipa, or maybe not even "big" like Froning or Bailey, but it does have that implication.
That's pretty much exactly what I was saying. You will look like you are fit - whether that means big or ripped depends on how you skew your training and eating and your genetics, but the specifics aren't and don't need to be defined.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:05 AM   #20
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Re: The definition of being "big"

CrossFit is more than the main site workouts. There are thousands of CrossFit gyms. Many don't do the CrossFit.com workouts, but they are doing CrossFit.

As for the question of aesthetics, Hakan said, "I don't think anybody accept being the fittest person in the world while looking like 500 lbs little polar bear."

The debate of aesthetics vs. performance is mostly philosophical, not practical. Look at the CrossFit Games. The fittest athletes on earth all look the part. Aesthetics follow performance.

You're not going to get a 2:30 Fran, 335-lb. clean and jerk, 3:30 "Amanda", and 500 reps on Fight Gone Bad while looking like you don't work out.

Also, strength workouts have always been a part of CrossFit. They are as much CrossFit WODs as "Fran" and "Diane." See this WOD from 2/16/2001: http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/002663.html (w/f safe)

If you think you have a particular weakness, train it consistently and intelligently. Contrary to what I've seen on the boards, there's no contradiction between a specific program to address your weaknesses, and CrossFit. It's just not necessary to drop all other training to focus on your weaknesses. You can do both. See this video for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQDGGbpLRR8 (w/f safe)

"Do you all have something in mind that you'd not like to see come out of the hopper? ... There's probably nothing you could do more important for your fitness than to focus on that something until it is no longer the thing you don't want to come out of the hopper ...

What you want to do is fix that weak link."
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