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Old 02-18-2009, 03:10 AM   #1
Erik Rasmussen
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Stretching?

The main site has posted a few vids now from kelly starret talking about how stretching is dead, but how you improve performance if you have a more flexible hamstring. I am not particularly flexible, so I would love to improve that, but now I have no idea without conventional stretching. Can anyone help me?
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:08 AM   #2
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Re: Stretching?

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Old 02-18-2009, 07:00 AM   #3
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Re: Stretching?

Actually, if someone lacks flexibility in their hamstrings, their squats will tend to be a weak point. To increase your flexibility, add some dynamic stretches to your warm-up. Try some of the stretches on this website: http://orgs.jmu.edu/strength/JMU_Sum...flexibilty.htm (wfs). The reason that people have been proclaiming that "stretching is dead" is because research shows that stretching reduces strength for up to 30 minutes. But it still has its place. Traditional stretching (toe touching, etc.) should be done after the workout. In your case, if you experiencing tightness after a workout, stretch after your workout.
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Old 02-18-2009, 07:57 AM   #4
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Re: Stretching?

Look up Brandon Oto's stretching WOD thread and his hybrid program. It should link to Drillsandskills stretching area as well and a few others.

Besides joint mobility and the basic cf movements;, for your hammies you'll want to do the standing pike stretch or good morning stretch or stiff leg deadlift.
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Old 02-24-2009, 03:34 PM   #5
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Re: Stretching?

Go to Crossfit Radio and listen to episode with Kelly talking about PNF. I think it was the 20th.
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Old 02-24-2009, 05:58 PM   #6
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Re: Stretching?

Furthermore watch Kelly's video in the journal about 'not-stretching' and PNF.
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Old 02-26-2009, 03:58 PM   #7
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Re: Stretching?

Kelly has also been posting a series of how-to stretching articles to the CF San Francisco blog.

All are innovative, highly effective and depart significantly from the stretches commonly taught.

The posts are at:
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...tight-bro.html
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...-my-quads.html
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...etray-you.html

Not quite the same as the others.
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...-deranged.html

http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...-for-care.html
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...eak-is-on.html

Dr KStar overcomes the serious disadvantage of being highly qualified and experienced in the subject by also being extremely funny.

I recommend this series to everyone.

All links work-family-safe. Language may offend those not exposed to any vocabulary aside from that used during a church service. If you're in that category, ask your kids to explain the words to you.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:05 PM   #8
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Re: Stretching?

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Kelly has also been posting a series of how-to stretching articles to the CF San Francisco blog.

All are innovative, highly effective and depart significantly from the stretches commonly taught.

The posts are at:
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...tight-bro.html
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...-my-quads.html
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...etray-you.html

Not quite the same as the others.
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...-deranged.html

http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...-for-care.html
http://sanfranciscoCrossFit.blogspot...eak-is-on.html

Dr KStar overcomes the serious disadvantage of being highly qualified and experienced in the subject by also being extremely funny.

I recommend this series to everyone.

All links work-family-safe. Language may offend those not exposed to any vocabulary aside from that used during a church service. If you're in that category, ask your kids to explain the words to you.
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:27 AM   #9
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Re: Stretching?

Yes, those links are great, stretches feel great, and Dr. KStar's delivery is funny and unique. Thanks. To those looking for supple hamstrings, no matter what type of strecthes you do, it has to be EVERYDAY. I'll say it again, EVERYDAY. Especially if you got a desk job and are sitting most of the day, we need to stretch to work that out.

But I have a hard time seeing the difference between stretching and breathing and 'yoga'. So no one needs to chant "ohm" or sit and meditate in order to become flexible, but all athletes should know the importance of stretching and breathing. Just cuz Kelly says "eff yoga" doesnt mean it isn't good for working out the kinks. I'm interested in his true critique of yoga in general, cuz I'm wondering if he's juts being funny. Kelly might just be my favorite lecturer from the CrossFit videos...."take that break off the Ferrari".
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Old 03-01-2009, 05:10 PM   #10
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Re: Stretching?

I just recently started paying attention to the Kelly Star material. Folks, this is not new stuff. Yes, I think he is right-on. However, If you want a very good reference that both sums up what to expect from the various stretching methods, and provides pretty good how-to info, check out Thomas Kurz "Stretching Scientifically". He is also selling a video tape. This is "the stuff" if you need a lot of flexibility (particularly hips, as in traditional martial artist).

If memory serves, Kurz isometric stretch is what KStar is referring to as PNF. It is not relaxing. In Kurz words "it tends to make people scream" This is the fastest method I have heard of for developing flexibilty. Can't remember if the recommendation is for dedicated stretching sessions, or before or after other workouts. Muscles should be warm first, and will definitely be weakened for a while after. This would point to dedicated session, or after other work.
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