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Old 06-08-2008, 10:01 AM   #1
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'Hyper-minimalist' strength program...?

An odd idea I had... if you only wanted to build strength all over your body, would you actually need any exercises other than the muscle-up and OHS? I can't think of any group these don't work in some way.

Just a hypothetical thought for discussion, I don't intend to try this.
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Old 06-08-2008, 10:16 AM   #2
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Re: 'Hyper-minimalist' strength program...?

Well, you wouldn't get all that strong.
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Old 06-08-2008, 10:26 AM   #3
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Re: 'Hyper-minimalist' strength program...?

If I had to pick two, I'd probably go with muscle up and clean and jerk. Dan John said somewhere that you could be reasonably strong by just training C&J alone. But if you've got rings and a bar anyway, might as well throw in l sits, levers, deadlifts, squats, and snatches. I know that wasn't the point of your question, though.
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Old 06-08-2008, 10:34 AM   #4
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Re: 'Hyper-minimalist' strength program...?

A combination of just clean and jerks, muscle-ups, and sprinting could make you a pretty good athlete.
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Old 06-08-2008, 10:42 AM   #5
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Re: 'Hyper-minimalist' strength program...?

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A combination of just clean and jerks, muscle-ups, and sprinting could make you a pretty good athlete.
I completely agree, but then I think: "I could clean and jerk more if I did some squats, and I could sprint faster if I did some deadlifts" and so on. Eventually, it leads me back to something like crossfit with a greater focus on the exercises listed above. And kettlebells.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:11 PM   #6
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Re: 'Hyper-minimalist' strength program...?

The reduction in overall weight on the OHS may limit overall strength gains.

I agree that C&J along with MU's may be a great way to increse total body strength.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:56 PM   #7
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Re: 'Hyper-minimalist' strength program...?

MUs aren't that good after a certain point. Too stressful on the elbows to train weighted most of the time as well. Remember, MU is just a very basic strength movement in gymnastics.

Minimal would have to be a good full body pushing and full body pulling + legs. C&J + weighted pulllups and dips. Or C&J + planche progression [pushups] and front lever progressoin [pullups].

Something along those lines would probably work well.
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Old 06-08-2008, 06:59 PM   #8
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Re: 'Hyper-minimalist' strength program...?

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MUs aren't that good after a certain point. Too stressful on the elbows to train weighted most of the time as well. Remember, MU is just a very basic strength movement in gymnastics.

Minimal would have to be a good full body pushing and full body pulling + legs. C&J + weighted pulllups and dips. Or C&J + planche progression [pushups] and front lever progressoin [pullups].

Something along those lines would probably work well.
you can build strength with the MU by improving form, no need to add weight. but i agree with everything else steven is saying here. C&J + some sort of bodyweight pushing and pulling will make a tremendous athlete.
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you can build strength with the MU by improving form, no need to add weight. but i agree with everything else steven is saying here. C&J + some sort of bodyweight pushing and pulling will make a tremendous athlete.
Well, it gets to the point where MUs don't work strength at all for the most part. I mean, I can simply do them without false grip or wide grip or whatever.. doesn't help me gain anymore strength which is why I stay away from them except for metcons.

This is also why most other high level gymnasts don't use them at all when they can use like cross and such for strength work.
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I completely agree, but then I think: "I could clean and jerk more if I did some squats, and I could sprint faster if I did some deadlifts" and so on. Eventually, it leads me back to something like crossfit with a greater focus on the exercises listed above. And kettlebells.
I completely agree with this too. Variety is more fun.
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