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Old 05-30-2006, 03:05 AM   #51
Aidan O Brien
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Just my thoughts on the Hughes Vs Gracie fight. To me it was history come full circle. Royce used to have the tools that other could not beat, but last at UFC 60 it saddened me to see a Royce that looked out of his league.

He just did not have the tools to deal with Hughes, plain and simple.

It is a different sport now than it was then.
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Old 05-30-2006, 04:09 AM   #52
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Anyone have any details? How many rounds? Submission? KO?
Or was it just a plain 'ol redneck farm boy *** whup?
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Old 05-30-2006, 04:41 AM   #53
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Don, you can watch it on youtube.com. search for ufc 60. Hughes destroyed him at his own game, round 1. Took him down, got side control, arm locked him. Gracie won't tap. Hughes took his back and pounded. Was only close for seconds after Big John said get it on.... Total distruction, unreal to watch...

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Old 05-30-2006, 04:44 AM   #54
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Thanks Roger.
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Old 05-30-2006, 05:21 AM   #55
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Just watched it.
Yep, Hughes has definately worked on his ground techniques since the last time I watched him, which helped, although the backwards arm bar thingy looked kinda funny and a waste of time.
I was rootin for Hughes just because he's home grown, but I really thought Gracie would tie him up like a pretzel.
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Old 05-30-2006, 05:27 AM   #56
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Don, that arm bar would have caused most people to tap. It might be hard to tell from the youtube video, but during the match they showed replays from different angles and at one point it looks to pop. I wouldn't be surprised if Royce has some damage to tendons and/or ligaments after that.
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Old 05-30-2006, 06:08 AM   #57
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I suppose Anthony, but I've had a guy or two or three in that same exact position and just couldn't get that last half inch of leverage I needed to make him scream. They were always able to roll their shoulder up enough to relieve the pressure. But if I get him from the opposite end of his arm with my leg over his face and the guy chewing on my leg, I can get the leverage I need and he can't do a thing about it. Did you see where Gracie just kinda layed back and relaxed with Hughes holding his arm like that? That's where Gracie rolled his shoulder up. No leverage.

But then I've never actually taken any kind of formal ground fighting classes, and don't know a lot, but I did wrestle friends (and un-friends) a lot, and learned a lot of stuff that I didn't even know had names until years later.
That, and I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:13 AM   #58
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"That, and I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night"

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Good fight, looking forward to shamrock/ortiz
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:16 AM   #59
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The arm bar looked to be in tight. Hughes was very concious ( or at least seemed to be ) of not allowing his own arm to slip to far above or below the elbow, to keep to point of pressure there.

Besides, you don;t make Randy Couture say "Oh....that popped, that looked like it popped" over nothing!! :blush:
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:34 AM   #60
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Nope, not even gonna bother.

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Hard fight to watch. Royce was never the strongest, but I watched him fight dozens of guys (from 10 feet away) 30, 40 and 50+ pounds heavier then him and never get into that kind of position. Hughes has a really nice combo of strength and skill. Hughes is strong for his weight, but he's not stronger then some of the 225lb guys Royce handled, he's just much better.

I agree Royce's no-gi game is not up to the standard. Look at Royler or Machado or Bravo's ADCC stuff. The pace is way faster from position to position. That was the hard part to watch. I thought his "secret weapon" would be that he caught up to present on technique, he didn't.

Hughes beat him up. Royce either made a mistake and thought he he was really that much better, or his training was stupid. Too much paddy cake not enough power. Not saying he would have won with better training, but it could have been a fight.
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