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Old 03-14-2011, 04:26 PM   #1
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NFL Combine scores

I hope this is the right forum for this discussion, but is anyone else surprised by NFL combine scores? I'd imagine some of the top CF athletes could put up at the very least better bench press numbers. Rob Orlando looks like he would be beastly middle linebacker and Dave Lipson could be nasty Defensive End
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Old 03-14-2011, 04:47 PM   #2
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Re: NFL Combine scores

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I hope this is the right forum for this discussion, but is anyone else surprised by NFL combine scores? I'd imagine some of the top CF athletes could put up at the very least better bench press numbers. Rob Orlando looks like he would be beastly middle linebacker and Dave Lipson could be nasty Defensive End
Since CF uses the bench press so little why would you think that? And looking at the last Bench WOD Lipson managed 24 reps at 205lbs, so at 225lbs I doubt he's going to be challenging the top bench press guys at the combine. I believe the record is 49 reps?
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:05 PM   #3
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I hope this is the right forum for this discussion, but is anyone else surprised by NFL combine scores? I'd imagine some of the top CF athletes could put up at the very least better bench press numbers. Rob Orlando looks like he would be beastly middle linebacker and Dave Lipson could be nasty Defensive End
No doubt. Rob may be a bit undersized for pro-ball at 5'8", but how many NFL linebackers can squat 500 and do Fran in 2:23.

http://www.roguefitness.com/rob-orlando (safe)
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:11 PM   #4
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Re: NFL Combine scores

I am going to say just about all of them can squat 500 (playing small time D3 college ball and most our backers were in the mid 400s)

And thrusters and pullups for time really don't have much use for a linebacker.
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:37 PM   #5
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Re: NFL Combine scores

I interned at Villanova University for their football strength and conditioning program. Terrence Thomas, their captain and MLB squatted 575. Most of the backers, stocky DE's and OL all box squatted 500+ lbs.


Personally, I don't think any CrossFit athlete can compare to the numbers football players put up, they specialize, CrossFitters don't.

Maybe I am a bit impartial though, I have always been enamored by the fitness level of football players.
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:45 PM   #6
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Re: NFL Combine scores

Who cares what your lift numbers are if you can't play a lick of football? A guy like Rob Orlando may be strong but what happens if the first time he gets hit he's knocked silly and doesn't know what to do?

John Welbourne talks about this in an interview with Rip about athletes that are in great shape from other sports (or whatever) or guys that have been out of the game for a long long time coming out to training camp and getting nailed the first time and getting a concussion because they aren't use to going through a 30 mph car crash.
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:53 PM   #7
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Who cares what your lift numbers are if you can't play a lick of football? A guy like Rob Orlando may be strong but what happens if the first time he gets hit he's knocked silly and doesn't know what to do?

John Welbourne talks about this in an interview with Rip about athletes that are in great shape from other sports (or whatever) or guys that have been out of the game for a long long time coming out to training camp and getting nailed the first time and getting a concussion because they aren't use to going through a 30 mph car crash.
Exactly, there was a Linebacker at Nova' that was an absolute workout warrior. Although he didn't have the highest squat, he was a physical specimen, all of his lifts were awe inspiring. On strong man days, he flipped 400lb tires like they were matchbox cars. Pushed prowlers loaded with 140lbs for 2x50 yard sprints like it was a walk in the park.

Everyone on the team called him Xerxes, yet when it came to playing the game...he was FIFTH on the depth chart. I asked the head strength coach, who was also the DL coach, and he said that he just doesn't have that intensity and fire to take on blockers and make sound tackles.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:48 PM   #8
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Re: NFL Combine scores

Here we go again....


Rob Orlando is a fantastic athlete, with great strength numbers and good enough metcon to be in the CF Games the past few years. To say he would make a great MLB just because he's an elite CFer, or that Dave Lipson would make a great DE for the same reason, is a bit ridiculous. I'm sure they'd make fine small-school football players in their college years, but you can't really get to the NFL or top DI school for that matter without some pretty outstanding numbers in the weight room.

A better discussion might be to talk about how a guy like Alabama WR Julio Jones ran a 4.39 40 at 6'6" 220# and with a broken foot; or how MLB Dontay Moch ran a 4.44 40 at 240#; or how 310# DL Marcel Dareus ran a 5.1 40! There are many great conversation-worthy performances that happened during the combine. Perhaps we can just appreciate the dynamic efforts of these truly elite specialists, instead of trying to say how Rob O, etc would fare.

BTW Oregon State DL Stephen Paea knocked out 49 reps on the 225 bench press, which I would figure to be a legit amount (assuming lots of chest bounce, of course).


wfs link that shows top combine performances
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-perfo...-LB-CB-OL-SPEC
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:56 PM   #9
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Re: NFL Combine scores

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I hope this is the right forum for this discussion, but is anyone else surprised by NFL combine scores? I'd imagine some of the top CF athletes could put up at the very least better bench press numbers. Rob Orlando looks like he would be beastly middle linebacker and Dave Lipson could be nasty Defensive End
Right now? Probably not. Had they been playing football their entire lives, maybe. CF athletes wouldn't come close to the guys at the combine. Those guys are the top 1% of college football players. Some guy off the street just won't just show up and show them up.

Being in Baton Rouge, here's an article from last season, not sure if you've seen it or not (WFS)

http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle...64&SPSID=27815

It tells us what we already know - Patrick Peterson is a freak of nature. And I have no interest in seeing him do CF, but I can't wait to see him return punts on Sunday.

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Old 03-14-2011, 08:02 PM   #10
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Personally, I don't think any CrossFit athlete can compare to the numbers football players put up, they specialize, CrossFitters don't.
Well, I agree with the first part of your statement.

But I don't understand why football players specialize but Crossfitters don't? Don't Crossfitters specialize in Crossfit?

Or, if you don't buy that, then how are football players specialists when they can knock down big guys, lift heavy weights, sprint faster than most athletes, jump really high, turn on a dime, and catch and bat down flying objects? Seems to me that the skilled positions are good at a ton of pretty general things, plus a bunch of highly-skilled things.
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