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Old 10-24-2007, 01:10 PM   #1
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Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

In the China-Cornell-Oxford Study (http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject) the incidence of cancer, osteoporosis, obesity were compared to the USA and areas of China with high consumption of animal foods to areas with mostly plant based consumption.


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Old 10-24-2007, 01:18 PM   #2
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Re: Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

The American Paradox, as I like to call it, is that the average diet in the U.S. is so unhealthy that in comparison anything and everything else constitutes an improvement.

So while we can say that these Chinese diets (or a Mediterranean diet or a French diet or the Ornish diet or the Atkins diet...) is better, it's very difficult to isolate the reasons WHY it is better.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:12 PM   #3
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Re: Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

That's what I was thinking. They try and conclude that animal products are directly related to the health issues but the stuy compares the western dient (full of fast food and processed garbage) to a more "natural" diet if you will full of high fiber and plant consumption.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:51 AM   #4
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Re: Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

I'm not sure if you guys know this, but this study is better represented in the book "The China Study" by Colin Campbell
http://www.amazon.com/China-Study-Co...3337680&sr=8-1 (safe link)
I've read it, and it's one of the most comprehensive studies on nutrition I've ever seen. The data and science are there. In a nutshell The China Study 'proves' that a plant based diet is 'better' than a diet including any animal protein. For those of you that are interested, its an education in and of itself.
Personally, its a main driving force behind my preferance for vegetarianism.

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Old 10-25-2007, 12:35 PM   #5
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Re: Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

The Chinese diets are not vegetarian...
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:48 PM   #6
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Re: Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

The China Study contains some interesting information but my opinion is that there are several conclusional leaps made in the study that are not necessarily supported by the evidence presented.

In general, I have a hard time taking "studies" from people who are activists for their causes completely seriously. Colin Campbell is well known as a vegetarian/vegan advocate. I didn't believe Atkins either though he obviously managed to shine a light on some dietary untruths.

I'm not suggesting that anyone's research should be ignored, just that it should be taken with a grain of salt... wait... salt's bad for you... or not... depends whose research you believe!

Seriously though, I've read the book along with many others on all sides of the nutrition arguments and have come away with the conclusion that you can easily find studies to "prove" nearly any nutritional program you decide to follow. Read the book, read the criticisms, read other nutritional study information and its crticism and make the best choices you can.

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Old 10-25-2007, 03:03 PM   #7
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Re: Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

Personally, I'd go with the black box approach that seems to produce the longest-living people in the world, not just folks who live longer than Americans:

History and characteristics of Okinawan longevity food.

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Okinawan food culture in the Ryukyu island is one of the world's most interesting culture because its consumers have the longest life expectancies and low disability rates. It is a product of cultural synthesis, with a core of Chinese food culture, inputs through food trade with South-East Asia and the Pacific and strong Japanese influences in eating style and presentation. The Satsamu sweet potato provides the largest part of the energy intake (and contributes to self-sufficiency), there is a wide array of plant foods including seaweed (especially konbu) and soy, and of herbaceous plants, accompanied by fish and pork, and by green tea and kohencha tea. Infusing multiple foodstuff and drinking the broth is characteristic. Raw sugar is eaten. The concept that 'food is medicine' and a high regard accorded medical practice are also intrinsic of Okinawan culture. Again, food-centered and ancestral festivities keeep the health dimensions well-developed. Pork, konbu and tofu (soy bean-curd) are indispensable ingredients in festival menus, and the combination of tofu and seaweed are used everyday. Okinawan food culture is intimately linked with an enduring belief of the system and highly developed social structure and network.
Definitely not a vegetarian diet.
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Old 10-25-2007, 04:42 PM   #8
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Re: Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

And then what other factors are there besides diet - low stress levels, high levels of family and social support........

Always so many things to consider.
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Old 10-26-2007, 05:00 AM   #9
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Re: Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

Here's an excellent, work and family safe rebuttal of the China Study, written by Chris Masterjohn.... http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html
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Re: Thoughts on this study: http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/ChinaProject

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Here's an excellent, work and family safe rebuttal of the China Study, written by Chris Masterjohn.... http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html
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