New rules of lifting

Kevin Burns · 04-08-2007, 08:15 PM

in the book new rules of lifting the authors make mention that if you continue to work a muscle using isolating movements then you will meet with consistantly diminishing returns as the body won't build the muscle beyond what it thinks is needed. but when you work muscles in conjunction with other muscles (ie: working the body as the whole) the body will build more muscle out of sheer need.

my question is.. does anyone have any articles or links about this concept ?

Lynne Pitts · 04-09-2007, 01:05 AM

Fitness...

Kevin McKay · 04-09-2007, 07:41 AM

I think one of the premises of crossfit is that working the body as a whole contributes to a neuro endocrine response.

"Functional compound movements executed at high intensity" or something like that, should be in foundations or what is crossfit

Kevin McKay · 04-09-2007, 07:46 AM

The info you are looking for should be in one of these.

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-download/Foundations.pdf
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-download/CFJ-trial.pdf

Kevin Burns · 04-09-2007, 02:23 PM

well thats just it. the girl i'm trying to convince of this doesn't believe in the crossfit methodology so i'm looking for some other background articles/links to show her.

Bryan Gollhofer · 04-09-2007, 03:23 PM

Some people just can't be convinced, trust me. I have been doing Crossfit since last July and the results are really showing, I'm loving it! That being said, there are some I work with, and other friends that still think the 24 hour Fatness, I mean Fitness, method is the best way to go. Maybe for them it is, some just don't want to put much effort into it, specially the effort required for Crossfit. There are some that I have introduced that are true believers now. All I know is I love it, my body is changing like it never has, and I am stronger at 36 than I was at 23. Good luck!

David Wood · 04-09-2007, 04:29 PM

Here is a (mostly) w/f safe article from Men's Health (which frequently features Alwyn Cosgrove, the author of "New Rules of Lifting").

http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=fitness&categor y=muscle.building&topic=total.body&conitem=f8fb200 525cca010VgnVCM100000cfe793cd_ ___&page=1

It (sort of) addresses the question(s) you raise, although not in a particularly scientific way.

Not sure I would agree with all it says (but then, I don't even agree with all that *I* say) . . . it supports many (most) of the CrossFit methods, but puts a "Men's Health" spin on them ("Get bigger muscles now!!")

Link is not completely w/f safe due to the click-through advertsing links that come with it (although not as bad as T-Nation).

Anthony Bainbridge · 04-10-2007, 06:05 AM

She doesn't believe in using heavy compound movements to get stronger? To each their own, I guess.

Steven Low · 04-10-2007, 11:13 AM

What are you talking about Anthony...? the article says basically full body workouts.

John McBrien · 04-10-2007, 11:14 AM

CF was defined recently in one of the journals as "guerrilla fitness." It does not appeal to the general population nor does it intend to attract the same market as the "hip" and "new" gyms.

I think regardless of your argument you may find trouble convincing your friend of the benefits of CF. There is, however, one argument that you can use. If she simply tries CF, she can see for herself if the methodology works. Otherwise, let her continue to argue why something she hasn't tried won't work.

I hear that typical response from all of my friends in college; none wish to do anything other than "get big." If only they could understand what they are missing.

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04-08-2007, 08:15 PM	#1
Kevin Burns Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Greenwood Village CO Posts: 586	in the book new rules of lifting the authors make mention that if you continue to work a muscle using isolating movements then you will meet with consistantly diminishing returns as the body won't build the muscle beyond what it thinks is needed. but when you work muscles in conjunction with other muscles (ie: working the body as the whole) the body will build more muscle out of sheer need. my question is.. does anyone have any articles or links about this concept ?

04-09-2007, 01:05 AM	#2
Lynne Pitts Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Madison WI Posts: 3,232	Fitness...

04-09-2007, 07:41 AM	#3
Kevin McKay Member Profile: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: albany ca Posts: 1,110	I think one of the premises of crossfit is that working the body as a whole contributes to a neuro endocrine response. "Functional compound movements executed at high intensity" or something like that, should be in foundations or what is crossfit

04-09-2007, 07:46 AM	#4
Kevin McKay Member Profile: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: albany ca Posts: 1,110	The info you are looking for should be in one of these. http://www.crossfit.com/cf-download/Foundations.pdf http://www.crossfit.com/cf-download/CFJ-trial.pdf

04-09-2007, 02:23 PM	#5
Kevin Burns Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Greenwood Village CO Posts: 586	well thats just it. the girl i'm trying to convince of this doesn't believe in the crossfit methodology so i'm looking for some other background articles/links to show her.

04-09-2007, 03:23 PM	#6
Bryan Gollhofer Member Profile: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 154	Some people just can't be convinced, trust me. I have been doing Crossfit since last July and the results are really showing, I'm loving it! That being said, there are some I work with, and other friends that still think the 24 hour Fatness, I mean Fitness, method is the best way to go. Maybe for them it is, some just don't want to put much effort into it, specially the effort required for Crossfit. There are some that I have introduced that are true believers now. All I know is I love it, my body is changing like it never has, and I am stronger at 36 than I was at 23. Good luck!

04-09-2007, 04:29 PM	#7
David Wood Departed Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,303	Here is a (mostly) w/f safe article from Men's Health (which frequently features Alwyn Cosgrove, the author of "New Rules of Lifting"). http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=fitness&categor y=muscle.building&topic=total.body&conitem=f8fb200 525cca010VgnVCM100000cfe793cd_ ___&page=1 It (sort of) addresses the question(s) you raise, although not in a particularly scientific way. Not sure I would agree with all it says (but then, I don't even agree with all that I say) . . . it supports many (most) of the CrossFit methods, but puts a "Men's Health" spin on them ("Get bigger muscles now!!") Link is not completely w/f safe due to the click-through advertsing links that come with it (although not as bad as T-Nation).

04-10-2007, 06:05 AM	#8
Anthony Bainbridge Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Fredericton New Brunswick Posts: 3,886	She doesn't believe in using heavy compound movements to get stronger? To each their own, I guess.

04-10-2007, 11:13 AM	#9
Steven Low Member Profile: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: silver spring maryland Posts: 12,221	What are you talking about Anthony...? the article says basically full body workouts.

04-10-2007, 11:14 AM	#10
John McBrien Member Profile: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Blacksburg VA Posts: 332	CF was defined recently in one of the journals as "guerrilla fitness." It does not appeal to the general population nor does it intend to attract the same market as the "hip" and "new" gyms. I think regardless of your argument you may find trouble convincing your friend of the benefits of CF. There is, however, one argument that you can use. If she simply tries CF, she can see for herself if the methodology works. Otherwise, let her continue to argue why something she hasn't tried won't work. I hear that typical response from all of my friends in college; none wish to do anything other than "get big." If only they could understand what they are missing.