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Old 02-05-2009, 08:00 PM   #61
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The military... not having a standard?!? NEVER.

I remember asking for permission to move weights outside by the pull up bars and getting the green light one day, then the next day getting chewed out by a retired master guns.

The military is always all over the place, it's all about who you ask and how they interpret it. For instance... maybe it's not the same as AF, but Navy and USMC.. ask 5 different people what the policy on sandles are and i bet you will get at least 3 totally different answers. And now i'm totally way off topic.
But that's kind of the point, right? Depending on who you ask, you will get a different answer. It's hard to get a bunch of folks on the same page, and in this case it's with CrossFit.
 
Old 02-05-2009, 08:07 PM   #62
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Re: Military leaning away from CrossFit?

Just tell them, "John said it was OK."
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Old 02-06-2009, 09:36 AM   #63
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But that's kind of the point, right? Depending on who you ask, you will get a different answer. It's hard to get a bunch of folks on the same page, and in this case it's with CrossFit.

Exactly. I was just trying to point that out because someone had posted that they were shocked the military did not have a standard.
 
Old 02-06-2009, 09:48 AM   #64
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Since I have a bunch of military people in one place, does the military conduct skills tests under a state of fatigue? If so, how often compared to fresh?

Example Shooting a target as opposed to shooting a target after a 400?
 
Old 02-06-2009, 09:55 AM   #65
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Since I have a bunch of military people in one place, does the military conduct skills tests under a state of fatigue? If so, how often compared to fresh?

Example Shooting a target as opposed to shooting a target after a 400?
Speaking for the Navy only - we do have some fatigue put into our marksmanship courses. The recommended is running in place for 2 minutes, the most utilized is 2 minutes of jumping jacks. We then move from target to target. The better the shooter, the faster we encourage them to go. BUT, it really all depends on the size of the range as to what can truely be done as far as fatigue and stress. This is only for standard Navy qualifications. How often - should be twice a year at a minimum.

I had lots of fun with the Army's version of our course, as it was more spread out and I was put through the same course four times in a row with full "battle rattle" on and no breaks. (To toot my own horn, 18 out of 18 every time ).
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:11 AM   #66
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Speaking for the Navy only - we do have some fatigue put into our marksmanship courses. The recommended is running in place for 2 minutes, the most utilized is 2 minutes of jumping jacks. We then move from target to target. The better the shooter, the faster we encourage them to go. BUT, it really all depends on the size of the range as to what can truely be done as far as fatigue and stress. This is only for standard Navy qualifications. How often - should be twice a year at a minimum.

I had lots of fun with the Army's version of our course, as it was more spread out and I was put through the same course four times in a row with full "battle rattle" on and no breaks. (To toot my own horn, 18 out of 18 every time ).
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Old 02-06-2009, 11:04 AM   #69
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Don't make the mistake of conflating the Air Force with "the military". It is entirely unsurprising that the AF would be moving away from a program while the other services are moving towards it.

The AF and Navy use PT for fundamentally different purposes than the Marines and Army. With some obvious exceptions (STS, NSW), the AF and Navy take a corporate approach to PT. The goal of the AF and Navy PT programs is to reduce their personnel loss rate due to job-related injuries and health issues. They have no need for highly fit individuals, only moderately fit individuals. To such an actuarial mindset, the perceived 'risks' of crossfit may well outweigh the benefits to them.

The Marines and Army are warrior services, where most members must fight in the normal conduct of their jobs. They use PT to gain a combat edge. They understand the consequences of poor fitness may be mission failure or death, and that one can never be too fit. Thus they are willing to accept a greater degree of risk in the execution of a physical training program designed to achieve a high degree of fitness. This is the target demographic for Crossfit, not the IBM accountants in blue.

FWIW, top end SOF units do not follow any organized PT program. They provide a wide variety of instruction and equipment, and then allow individuals and small teams to program and execute their own PT programs.
 
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Since I have a bunch of military people in one place, does the military conduct skills tests under a state of fatigue? If so, how often compared to fresh?

Example Shooting a target as opposed to shooting a target after a 400?
In the Canadian Army, the Infantry is required to run, during annual requalifications. Start at 400m, targets up, have 45 seconds to sprint to 300m and shoot x targets, x number of times, targets down for like 10 seconds, repeat 300-200, 200-100, and then walk 100-75-50-25.
 
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