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Old 12-03-2010, 07:46 PM   #51
Paul Sousa
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

Chris, how many untrained people has Louie taken to an elite level? So someone who has never trained before and ended up an elite lifter while being coached by Louie the whole time? You state WSB is best for beginners because Louie produces 1000 lb. squatters, but at what point in there training did they start training under Louie?
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:05 PM   #52
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

Must be the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:33 AM   #53
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

[Disclaimer: I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination. The following is my understanding of lifting for beginners. You do not have to agree :]

The west side training methodologies/system/program (whatever you like to call it) obviously works. And yes, it produces some hellishly strong powerlifters.

Starting Strength is designed as a simple program to capitalise on the so called 'novice effect', without confusing the trainee with too many exercises.

Simple workouts based on the major lifts are alternated. This allows people with 0 lifting experience to learn the lifts, improve form and gain strength without being distracted by 20 different variations of curls.

Weight is added in a linear fashion, as the nervous system adapts to the movement patterns it is repeating and thus trainees can memorise motor patterns and thus gain strength. Because, as has been mentioned, at this stage anything will cause adaptation, weight is added every workout to get as much as possible out of this early phase of training.

Starting Strength is essentially designed for people brand new to weight training with little or no past experience. The program allows them to learn the barbell lifts and go from a 40kg squat to a 140kg squat, and gain bodymass at the same time.

Westside works for novices for the same reasons that have been mentioned already, namely that a novice lifter can spend 10mins on a bike and his press will improve.

Certainly for intermediate, advanced and elite lifters a more complex program ala Westside is required to continue progress. Starting Strength would not work past a certain point, as the "novice effect" has worn off and now intelligent programming is required to continue progress.

To take an 18 year old kid (me?) into the gym for the first time and set him on a westside program does not make sense, as it would require too many exercises and too many rep schemes for them to be able to focus on what is important at this point in training, namely gaining overall strength. Their progress would be slowed greatly.

In regards to the OPs question, if you're still on your first run though of starting strength I would do a reset, make sure you sleep and eat enough, and keep going. If you stall multiple times then its time to move on to an intermediate program. With your lifts you may be able to squeeze out a bit more linear progress though.
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