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Old 11-15-2010, 08:24 AM   #61
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Re: Weight loss: pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional va

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Still didn't answer my question. I think the original statement was legit. OK, maybe not MORE addictive than cocaine, but the concept that sugary junk food brings about a neurological response that mimics drugs is legit. I know my addiction to sugar is nasty.
At least for myself, when I decided to give up sugar and junk food, I didn't get the shakes or contemplate suicide. Sure, a lot of things can be addictive. But I don't think it's fair to compare junk food to cocaine...

Of course I've never tried cocaine, so I really don't have a frame of reference here.
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:43 AM   #62
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At least for myself, when I decided to give up sugar and junk food, I didn't get the shakes or contemplate suicide. Sure, a lot of things can be addictive. But I don't think it's fair to compare junk food to cocaine...

Of course I've never tried cocaine, so I really don't have a frame of reference here.
Haha, okay, I'll give you that one. Having never tried cocaine myself, I'm grossly underestimating the withdrawal symptoms. It just tweaked me when Chris was like, "that's crap!" I'm sure we're on the same page that sugar definitely has addictive qualities and is a very real habit to break.
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:57 AM   #63
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Re: Weight loss: pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional va

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At least for myself, when I decided to give up sugar and junk food, I didn't get the shakes or contemplate suicide. Sure, a lot of things can be addictive. But I don't think it's fair to compare junk food to cocaine...

Of course I've never tried cocaine, so I really don't have a frame of reference here.

No shakes from cocaine withdrawal.

There is no comparison between the addictive nature of cocaine and junk food. Work it out, cocaine is highly addictive, a large percentage of people who try it become addictive (like maybe 10%) Anybody here never eat any junk food ever? Addicted?

Somebody who's throwing around this addictive stuff show me something that describes the withdrawal syndrome for sugar. I'm not saying there isn't one, I'm just not familiar with it.

Sugar is used to reduce ETOH cravings in folk settings, but doesn't help with the withdrawal symptoms at all.
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Old 11-16-2010, 02:11 PM   #64
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Re: Weight loss: pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional va

It's not question that sugary foods are addictive. I'm not sure it's even debatable. The linked study on rats comes as no surprise.

If nothing else, the will power that Dr. Haub showed through this diet is incredible. This makes news of his success very misleading, IMO.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:27 PM   #65
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It's not question that sugary foods are addictive. I'm not sure it's even debatable. The linked study on rats comes as no surprise.

If nothing else, the will power that Dr. Haub showed through this diet is incredible. This makes news of his success very misleading, IMO.
Seriously? Has no one in this thread ever gotten sick by eating too much Halloween candy?

It's totally possible to eat so much junk food that your body flat refuses to have anything to do with it. I haven't tried the diet, but I'll bet Dr. Haub would be happy if he never saw a Twinkie again, and by the end of his experiment he was struggling to choke them down.

That's an entirely different response than you see in alcoholics and other addicts.

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Old 11-16-2010, 03:33 PM   #66
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Re: Weight loss: pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional va

I disagree. Has no one in this thread ever gotten sick from too much whiskey?

I'll bet that anyone who has gags at the slightest smell of the stuff. But there are other ways of getting drunk, and I'm sure someone with the habit will find a way to feed their addiction.

Dr. Haub may be happy if he never sees a Twinkie again, but that doesn't stop him from reaching for the Snickers bar.
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Old 11-17-2010, 06:34 AM   #67
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I disagree. Has no one in this thread ever gotten sick from too much whiskey?

I'll bet that anyone who has gags at the slightest smell of the stuff. But there are other ways of getting drunk, and I'm sure someone with the habit will find a way to feed their addiction.

Dr. Haub may be happy if he never sees a Twinkie again, but that doesn't stop him from reaching for the Snickers bar.

Absolutely not true, I've been sick on whiskey, wine, tequila, beer, rum, vodka brass monkey etc. The smell of any of them even 18 years later, doesn't trigger nausea, I promise.

The rats preferring sugary food to cocaine is interesting, but most will not get "so" addicted to a drug that they won't eat. The sweet instinctively means food. I wonder what the outcome would be with well fed rats.
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Old 11-17-2010, 06:54 AM   #68
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I disagree. Has no one in this thread ever gotten sick from too much whiskey?

I'll bet that anyone who has gags at the slightest smell of the stuff. But there are other ways of getting drunk, and I'm sure someone with the habit will find a way to feed their addiction.
Yup, and too beer too. Smell doesn't bother me at all. Nothing like the aroma of a good bourbon or scotch. And an IPA with that nice citus undertones on the nose, heaven.
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Yup, and too beer too. Smell doesn't bother me at all. Nothing like the aroma of a good bourbon or scotch. And an IPA with that nice citus undertones on the nose, heaven.
Darn you, Wayne. One more week and I can finally have beer again.....
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