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Old 12-29-2010, 06:54 PM   #11
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Re: Dealing with Buttwink on Starting Strength

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Solution: Stop "air" squatting for high reps. Or stop "air" squatting, period.
I like this.
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Old 12-29-2010, 06:58 PM   #12
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1. Sitting and standing from a toilet is not comparable to Squatting. I hear this all the time, but I don't think I should have to explain this one.
You are either squatting or crapping wrong.
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Old 12-29-2010, 07:12 PM   #13
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Re: Dealing with Buttwink on Starting Strength

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I like this.
Me too. I spotted a guy today who was benching. He benches more than he squats. Of course. I should take a poll and find out how many guys at my affiliate bench more than they squat.

Because air squats make you strong.

Obviously.
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Old 12-29-2010, 07:26 PM   #14
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Re: Dealing with Buttwink on Starting Strength

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Solution: Stop "air" squatting for high reps. Or stop "air" squatting, period.



Um, the CrossFit view on this tends to be the contrarian view, so yeah...totally agree with you...
Tamara,

I'm not interested in an argument, I'm just curious, what exercises would you use for conditioning in a client with conditioning goals?
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Old 12-29-2010, 07:27 PM   #15
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You are either squatting or crapping wrong.
So any form of sitting and standing is comparable to Squatting?
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Old 12-29-2010, 07:30 PM   #16
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Re: Dealing with Buttwink on Starting Strength

[quote=Tamara Cohen;884634]Solution: Stop "air" squatting for high reps. Or stop "air" squatting, period. QUOTE]

Allowing your back to round with heavy weights and relatively moderate reps or light weight and high reps can both induce injury.

I was not trying to talk about air squats used for conditioning purposes.
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Old 12-29-2010, 07:32 PM   #17
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Tamara,

I'm not interested in an argument, I'm just curious, what exercises would you use for conditioning in a client with conditioning goals?
I know, Robert.

And, I really thought about going back and saying...

"FYI, I know the purpose of air squats isn't to make you strong."

But, I didn't.

I like people who have conditioning goals. There are lots of good exercises for those goals. I don't like air squats, but that's just me. I like prowler pushes, tire flips, box jumps, kettlebell swings. Hell, I even like burpees for conditioning.

I just like coaches who understand things like anatomy and anthropometry and gravity.
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Old 12-29-2010, 07:34 PM   #18
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Re: Dealing with Buttwink on Starting Strength

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Solution: Stop "air" squatting for high reps. Or stop "air" squatting, period.
Allowing your back to round with heavy weights and relatively moderate reps or light weight and high reps can both induce injury.

I was not trying to talk about air squats used for conditioning purposes.
I was referencing your quote:

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Even "butt winking" while air squatting can potentially cause or facilitate spinal injury if done frequently and with high volume.
I certainly don't advocate people squatting with a rounded back.
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Old 12-29-2010, 07:37 PM   #19
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Allowing your back to round with heavy weights and relatively moderate reps or light weight and high reps can both induce injury.

I was not trying to talk about air squats used for conditioning purposes.
Except the whole debate is about whether air squat form is, or is not, applicable to weighted squat form. And specifically, whether attempting to eliminate "buttwink" in air squats will overexaggerate the lumbar curve, leading to bad form on weighted squats.

If you don't *do* air squats then the question simply doesn't arise.

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Old 12-29-2010, 07:53 PM   #20
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Re: Dealing with Buttwink on Starting Strength

The lower you go below parallel, the more likely this is to happen. Especially with a low bar squat. I'd put a lot of money down that not too many people can low bar squat well below parallel w/o it happening.
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