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Old 02-18-2008, 02:41 PM   #1
John-David Ritchie
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Do grains imply gain?

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Personally- I don't follow zone and I am getting along just fine with my conditioning program. I stick to the food guide, eating whole grain, lean meats, fish, as many fruits+veggies as possible, lots of fluids (water, low sugar/fresh juices, some milk).

Are you not eating any bread/pasta? You can get whole wheat/multi grain in both and they're great sources of complex carbs, fiber, protein etc. I haven't looked into the zone diet scheme but you should be eating more grains.
This has been posted on the forums recently, and pretty much sums up my own nutrition.

I make sure I eat at least two times veggies per day and I eat a lot of fuits also, along with lean meats and eggs and nuts. I also add 1-2L of 1% milk per day for the extra protein/calories

I live at my parent`s house, so I can only influence what food they purchase. There aren`t enough fruits and veggies compared to grains IMO(we have loads, though they are brown/whole wheat)

So I include grains in breakfast and I usually continue eating some until lunch, because of lack of options to prepare my food.

I read in a lot of places that all grains cause insulin spikes and ''makes you fat'' along with other rants.

Through Crossfit and this diet I have 12% BF (measured and calculated by a specialist) at the moment, with a PR 90% of the time I do a WOD and it is by genuine curiosity that I ask, by personal experience or links to verified statistics, what would happen if one went completely Paleo in terms of pros/cons.

If this question has been well answered in another specific forum, feel free to link it.



Oh, and I`m 19 years old.
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Old 02-18-2008, 02:55 PM   #2
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Re: Do grains imply gain?

Hey man, I've been making really good gains for months now (I do zone) with some grains in my diet. They're not the devil, but I do find it makes a difference. For me, I eat fruits and veggies at 90% of the meals in a week, but I also eat oatmeal consistently at breakfast (3/4 of a cup dry) and pasta occasionally since it's my favorite food and reminds me of home. I had a week when I used a lot more grains in my diet, more pasta (keep in mind this is homemade with good flour) some bread, zone muffins, etc. and my main issue was that I was hungry all the time. If you can eat a balanced diet with grains go for it, I find that the more I use them, the more hungry I get, which makes me tend to eat more food than is necessarily good for me. I feel great after an oatmeal breakfast (with plenty of eggs and some berries and nuts), which is when I workout.

By the way I'm 20 and not sure of my exact BF% any more but it's loooooow.
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Old 02-18-2008, 03:01 PM   #3
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Re: Do grains imply gain?

I know what you mean concerning the increase in hunger when you eat too much pasta, I used to have that too.

Thanks for your post and your experience. Our experience with grains are pretty similar.

I don`t think it`s bad either. My view on this food type is that it makes variety and difference in a diet, giving fibre and some protein, but it is something that should be consumed for taste rather than good conscience, especially when you eat a lot.

More personal experiences and pros/cons of not consuming grains are welcome

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Old 02-18-2008, 03:24 PM   #4
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Re: Do grains imply gain?

The case against grains is very well explained in 'The Paleo Diet' by Dr. Loren Cordain. In this month's newsletter, he begins to explain the suspected link between the consumption of grains and cardio-vascular disease. Check it out here...

w/f/s http://www.ThePaleoDiet.com/newslett...k_issues.shtml
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