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Old 02-23-2015, 09:59 PM   #1
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What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

I wanted to get the opinion of Crossfitters regarding this site and the owner's view on functional training.

I came across him a while back, and thought he was a grade A jerk, so I blew him off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pamKFoPOzRw (WSF) Recently, I 've found myself following a lot of his advice and work but the arrogance of Naudi is sometimes unbearable!!

I have had a few "encounters" with him via messages where we go back and forth about training regimens. In short, I told him that he was knowledgeable but that badmouthing anything that was not "his" training method was unprofessional and unwanted.....I noted that a few of his workouts contradicted his philosophies and he never responded.

Anyhow, just curious what you all think because he says that CrossFit is useless, dangerous and does not yield results....

http://www.functionalpatterns.com/ (WSF)


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Old 02-24-2015, 07:33 AM   #2
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Re: What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

I think the video offers 2 valid criticisms, outside of that a lot of empty information.

Crits being:
1.) Lack of rotational movements
2.) Lack of ofset or unbalanced movements

I'm also a little critical of their use of a swiss ball on his site. He has some vids where he is exercising while using the swiss ball as a base. I'm in the camp that if a joint is unstable, to protect itself your muscles won't be able to generate as much force. Hence you are better off training on a stable surface so your muscles can properly generate force.

I think some swiss ball work is ok to work the "core." But don't make it a staple to replace key movements.

Now being a jerk, how do these guys handle key CrossFit WODs. Can they blast through them since they're functional patterns are so efficient?

Like a lot of stuff out there, some good ideas and some empty ideas. Take what works for you and discard the rest.
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:31 AM   #3
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Re: What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

In a recent attempt to rid negativity from my life, I have decided to not have an opinion on Mr Aguilar. I haven't really read too much on FP itself, so could someone give me laymans interpretation of what he preaches?
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Old 02-24-2015, 12:18 PM   #4
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Re: What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

He wears no shoes but gloves! I knew then he was not with us!

I agree with some of what he is saying. I do not think his way is the best way to build muscle though! As well as the part about Native American History proving they have better health than us. But that is for too many reasons not how well we move.
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Old 02-24-2015, 03:06 PM   #5
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Re: What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

Just because he had 1-2 valid points here and there, I think there are many better / other sources to find a better coach.

why torture yourself with this guy?
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:33 PM   #6
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Re: What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

A few days ago, Bret Contreras posted a detailed critique of Mr. Aguilar.

http://bretcontreras.com/challenging...s-to-a-debate/ (wfs)
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:56 AM   #7
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Re: What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

Far too long of a video to make a somewhat valid point. Not a huge point, but just a very small one. Stop harping, start helping.
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:26 PM   #8
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Re: What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

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Far too long of a video to make a somewhat valid point. Not a huge point, but just a very small one. Stop harping, start helping.
Yeah, I agree. I just watched the video - the guy makes a little bit of sense, but at the same time, takes a REALLY long time time to get to those points, all the while using a lot of fluff-words and absolutely no data to support his claims.

For example, he states something about how the transverse abdominus is "the fundamental element that will create efficient movement in the human body", but only supports that by saying that there's "a lot of support out there" for this statement. I'm not saying that is or isn't true, but I'm sure not going to take the word of one guy, who's niche-type fitness program has a handful of followers, compared to the juggernaut that is Crossfit. At least not without scientific data.
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:50 PM   #9
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Re: What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

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A few days ago, Bret Contreras posted a detailed critique of Mr. Aguilar.

http://bretcontreras.com/challenging...s-to-a-debate/ (wfs)
Thanks for posting this, Curt!! As I stated, I had some debates with Mr. Aguilar and he did the same as he is known to do: bully and not back up his claims. I no longer follow his Facebook page as he is an arrogant SOB with ulterior motives.

As for the other comments, I thank you all for the input!

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Old 02-27-2015, 06:48 PM   #10
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Re: What do you think of Functional Patterns...?

First, I would argue that he looks like crap.

Next I would argue that his exercises prepare him for nothing other than goofy exercises... S.A.I.D. principle...

Next, I would argue that doing things so unbalanced precludes the overload principle and thus prevents a meaningful adaptation (in terms of performance).

And so on.

Being an *** gets you attention and weak minded people will gravitate to it. It will earn him some business, but it's sad.
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