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Old 08-23-2011, 12:05 PM   #11
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Re: does cf make the athlete or do the athletes make cf?

so that being said, in all honesty if i want to build a strong lean physique and be well rounded etc. would i be better off training in olympic lifting and practicing skill work on the side/ occasionally doing a wod for the challenge. or would cf be a better option.

not to be vain but id very much like to have an aesthetic physique (please don't tear me apart for that) and i thoroughly enjoy o-lifting and cf so in regards to training id be fine with either. but id also like to know if cf is the better option for training (being that all the amazing cfers i see were originally specialists or elites in another sport)

if it would be possible id also want to hear some opinions from people like eric, katherine and tamara being that I've never seen them give bad advice and there highly knowledgeable.
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:20 PM   #12
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Re: does cf make the athlete or do the athletes make cf?

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so that being said, in all honesty if i want to build a strong lean physique and be well rounded etc. would i be better off training in olympic lifting and practicing skill work on the side/ occasionally doing a wod for the challenge. or would cf be a better option.

not to be vain but id very much like to have an aesthetic physique (please don't tear me apart for that) and i thoroughly enjoy o-lifting and cf so in regards to training id be fine with either. but id also like to know if cf is the better option for training (being that all the amazing cfers i see were originally specialists or elites in another sport)

if it would be possible id also want to hear some opinions from people like eric, katherine and tamara being that I've never seen them give bad advice and there highly knowledgeable.
Saying you don't know of any "amazing" cfers who aren't also former athletes is very subjective. Sure there may not be any competing at the games, but there are endless tales here and at the affiliate sites of average joe/jane who have never pursued athleticism till cf doing amazing feats and transforming their body.

These are two very different questions.

- If you want a great body, general physical preparedness, and above average athleticism then CF or CF style training is probably the more optimal choice for you.

- If you want to be competitive at a high level, but currently have no athletic background, you are probably better off picking up Oly Lifting.
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:33 PM   #13
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Re: does cf make the athlete or do the athletes make cf?

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so that being said, in all honesty if i want to build a strong lean physique and be well rounded etc. would i be better off training in olympic lifting and practicing skill work on the side/ occasionally doing a wod for the challenge. or would cf be a better option.

not to be vain but id very much like to have an aesthetic physique (please don't tear me apart for that) and i thoroughly enjoy o-lifting and cf so in regards to training id be fine with either. but id also like to know if cf is the better option for training (being that all the amazing cfers i see were originally specialists or elites in another sport)

if it would be possible id also want to hear some opinions from people like eric, katherine and tamara being that I've never seen them give bad advice and there highly knowledgeable.
No offense, but several of your posts lately have sounded similar and have the feel of "paralysis by analysis"...in other words you're wasting time wondering what you should do, and that's time that would be better spent training.

You've referred to yourself as a powerlifter and an aspiring competitive Oly lifter, but a week or so ago you posted that your 1RM squat is 165lbs and your 1RM C&J is 105lbs--you just need to stop thinking so much and get yourself under a squat rack. The specifics of the program aren't too important at this point. Lift heavy, do some simple conditioning work, practice skills that you want to get good at (muscleups, doubleunders, rope climbs, etc.), eat, sleep, and repeat 1000x.

Don't worry about how you compare to the genetic freaks of CF any more than you'd worry about not measuring up to Tom Brady when you throw a football around. Yeah, your genetic potential will limit your top-end to some degree, but you're never going to get within 100 miles of that point wasting all your time debating over the 1% of stuff that matters somewhat while ignoring the 99% big picture.

As for whether "CF is the better option for training" it depends what your goals are. If you want to be better at CF, sure, maybe, though as plenty of people have pointed out most of the top competitors didn't get where they are by doing CF.com. If you want to get bigger and stronger or better at a particular sport it's probably not the best way to go.
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:26 PM   #14
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Re: does cf make the athlete or do the athletes make cf?

eric, the paralysis by analysis thing just hit me pretty good. i appreciate that.

and i just found a way to kind of get the best of both worlds cf/oly.

on catalyst they have oly programs that have met con work in them and places to incorporate skill work which is awesome. prior to seeing these every oly program I've ever seen was just classic lifts w/ no conditioning or fun skill work.

so i think this may be my savior
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Old 08-25-2011, 10:38 AM   #16
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eric, the paralysis by analysis thing just hit me pretty good. i appreciate that.

and i just found a way to kind of get the best of both worlds cf/oly.

on catalyst they have oly programs that have met con work in them and places to incorporate skill work which is awesome. prior to seeing these every oly program I've ever seen was just classic lifts w/ no conditioning or fun skill work.

so i think this may be my savior
You are never going to get the best of both worlds. Sort of the "no man can serve two masters."

Pick something, focus on it, and do it right. If you have any energy left over, work the other thing in somewhere, but above all do the three things that make you good at something:

Practice
Practice
Practice

Yeah, sometimes it gets boring grinding away and missing the same lifts day in and day freakin' out. But this is where you get your serious lifting education. Nothing beats focused time under the bar.

So as Eric M. said, quit-over analyzing. Pick something at work at it. Even if it winds up being the wrong thing, and you headed out in the wrong direction, it sure beats sitting on your *** wondering where you should go. (exaggeration for the sake of emphasis)
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Old 08-25-2011, 11:12 AM   #17
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Re: does cf make the athlete or do the athletes make cf?

i understand what your saying about not serving two masters. but i trust that a program designed by greg everett including some short met con will intact lead me to be a better o-lifter which is the goal I'm pursuing. he and aimee said that the program is designed to focus on olifting w/short met con to help be better rounded and during the 16 week cycle you go through bulgarian style phases in which conditioning is reduced to allow recovery from dealing heavy weights
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