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Old 12-25-2007, 01:50 PM   #1
Barry Cooper
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Brief thought on added Certs.

If work efficiency is defined as a combined output consisting of physical capacity, information, and motivation, then the value of skill training, such as jump roping, running, swimming, using kettlebells, MMA, self defense, etc, can be deduced mathematically as the logical step following the development of physical work capacity, which is what CrossFit excels at.

To take one example, the Total Immersion system of swimming, through teaching basic, highly learnable techniques, can make anyone who has not already learned those techniques, much faster in swimming in only a few lessons. No doubt the same, to a greater or lesser extent, can be said of any number of discrete disciplines. This is the addition of information--form--onto an already developed base of physical capacity.

Put simply, you need to know what to do, be able to do it, and want to do it. This applies to all areas of life. Quite often, learning what to do, up a basic level, does not take that long.

I am writing this as a response to what seemed to me almost complaints about the number of areas in which "CrossFit"--I put it in quotes, since we are what might be termed a "countermonolithic" entity--is now offering advanced information. To me, it makes perfect sense to find the people who are the best at what they do, and give them forums in which to pour information into our Community. This, to me, is intelligent.
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Old 12-25-2007, 02:15 PM   #2
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Re: Brief thought on added Certs.

As usual, I could not agree more. The inclusion of specialists to teach: Rowing, Olympic Lifts, Power Lifts, Gymnastics, Urban Free Running, Swimming, Self Defense, Jump Rope, Sprinting, all expand the information base of the "art" of Crossfit. Always lived by the Bruce Lee/Dan Inosanto maxim" Research your own experience, absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, and make everything uniquely your own. The often forgotten part of that equation is that you have to have really researched and KNOWN it prior to rejecting it. Learn it, integrate it, or not. Just don't ***** about it.
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Old 12-25-2007, 02:34 PM   #3
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Re: Brief thought on added Certs.

These certs ARE elective, no one's forcing me to go. If I go, it's because I want to. If a cert doesn't appeal to me, then I don't go. Pretty straight forward.
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Old 12-25-2007, 03:21 PM   #4
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Re: Brief thought on added Certs.

Ditto.....I couldn't agree more. I choose to stop learning, only when I stop living.

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Old 12-25-2007, 04:42 PM   #5
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Re: Brief thought on added Certs.

Agreed. If nobody wants to attend buddy lee certs etc, you won`t see them offered for long. These certs teach you training styles that emphasize some of the most basic movements. Lifting, running, jumping, swimming etc.

When they introduce a unicycling cert, then I`ll admit that perhaps they`ve gone too far. Then again, that might be great practice for balance...hmmm
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Old 12-26-2007, 08:11 AM   #6
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Re: Brief thought on added Certs.

Nobody's going to argue that swimming, rowing, cycling, running aren't good activities done properly, or that the experts in them don't have something to teach general Crossfitters about those activities.

There's a difference in my mind, though, between including some of that as one segment of a Crossfit cert, versus holding a cert devoted to that specialty under the Crossfit banner. It certainly represents a shift of some sort, and I might just be missing the point as a relative newbie. It wouldn't be the first time!

I think about myself as a cyclist, for example. Many hours and many miles in the saddle over the past 2 1/5 years have taught me something about cycling long distances, about hill climbing, and about speed. It's hard-won knowledge, some of it because generous others have coached me, and some of it from trial-and-error and experience.

As far as that goes, I'm a specialist. I would expect to do better on the bike than a Crossfitter of equal abilities because of that experience. I should do better. I spend enough time on my bike!

So take these certs. As a Crossfitter, I would like be able to do double-unders with the jump rope. That's really all I want to do, since that's all that's ever called for in a workout. So I would appreciate, in a level one cert, some instruction and coaching to that end. If I became enamored of the rope, and wanted to learn to do more things with it, I would love to follow the links and go to a jump rope weekend cert, but I wouldn't think of it as Crossfit. I would think of it as specializing.

Same thing for running techniques. I would love a segment on running form and technique as part of a Crossfit cert, because we run. But if I wanted a whole lot more, I'd go to a running program, because it's a specialty.

Level 1 certs sell out really quickly. Speaking strictly at a programmatic level, I would think offering level one certs with break-out periods for things like running, jump rope technique, Oly lifting, etc. would allow folks to attend multiple certs and take whichever technique class they needed. Your first cert, maybe you can't do a DU at all, and you'd take that small group instruction. Maybe next cert you attend, you take the running clinic. And so on.

This is the way it's done at my professional meetings. We have the presentations made to the group at large, and then we break out into smaller groups where folks delve deeper into some aspect of the main program that they need or are interested in. If the main topic is "Evaluating Suicide Risk" then breakout groups include things like "Suicide Risk in Geriatrics" or "Evaluating Suicide Risk in Private Practice Settings" or "Ethical-Legal Considerations in Treating Suicidal Patients."

So my reaction to this issue is kind of puzzled. Ignorance, maybe. I'm always open to the idea that I'm missing something. I haven't attended a level one cert yet, so I certainly think I should remain open until I have more experience.

But I am puzzled.

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Old 12-26-2007, 09:12 AM   #7
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Re: Brief thought on added Certs.

The only problem with the extra certifications is that it makes non-CrossFitters look at the site and say "Five hundred bucks to learn how to jump over a rope?! What a scam," leave, and then never look back.

This sort of fits into the "CrossFit Going Mainstream" topic: (Work/Family Safe.)
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Old 12-26-2007, 10:02 AM   #8
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Re: Brief thought on added Certs.

The thought of having brief instruction on the double under at a level 1 cert is a nice idea, but this is how the certs used to be formatted. As the knowledge base of CrossFit grew it became far too much to do in a single weekend. The certs had to be refined back to the fundamentals of what CrossFit is with the detailed information on specific components being handled with one and two day seminars.
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Old 12-26-2007, 11:09 AM   #9
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Re: Brief thought on added Certs.

Roger - any chance Gymnastics Cert will take place anytime soon?
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:40 PM   #10
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Re: Brief thought on added Certs.

I think a regularly occurring rudimentary gymnastics cert/seminar should have only come second to the OL cert in the development of the great CF cert list.

Yet now we have a jump rope cert happening (multiple ones, even!) before the gymnastics one has become a regular occurrence. This is a problem of priorities, in my opinion.
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