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Old 09-03-2011, 01:31 PM   #11
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

Your hips rise first on every lift. This is because your body is moving towards dominant quads to get it off the floor and your quads are dominating your back strength. Similar the the last comment, you need to work your posterior chain with some accessory lifts. This will help with back, hip, glute and hamstring strength and stop your body finding dominant muscles, that are less suitable, to help complete the lift.
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Old 09-03-2011, 01:37 PM   #12
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

Glute Ham Raises
Seated Goodmornings
Wide stance standing goodmornings
Narrow stance standing goodmornings
Hip Bridges
Lots and Lots of abs work...standing abs work if possible
Breathing practice
And read this:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...the_glute_myth (WFS)

I do not know everything about deadlifting, but I have a good idea. 262.5kg 1RM ( 578lb) and 220kg 5RM. There is always room for improvement in technique. Try and find a good powerlifting gym or box and pay for a few sessions for somebody who really knows the deadlift to stand and watch you lift. They can make corrections throughout the session and not after its been and gone.
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Old 09-03-2011, 01:51 PM   #13
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

So essentially, what I'm getting from everyones comments combined are:

Shoulders behind bar
Hips lower
Brace and stabilize core
Big chest when pulling
Pull back

And I also need to ensure I don't overextend at the top, but that's getting better.
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Old 09-03-2011, 01:55 PM   #14
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

Also, I reread the deadlift section in SS, and there was a small comment about using a mixed grip on worksets only to occasionally fix the hips rising first issue. I may consider that, and alternate hands every training session. I'll see how it works on Wednesday.
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Old 09-04-2011, 09:18 AM   #15
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

I do not like the technique in Starting Strength...I think Riptoe has some parts of the deadlift wrong. Your much better off watching videos by Elite FTs, Dave Tate or Louie Simmons on youtube to get great advise on deadlifting technique. Those guys are/have been professional powerlifters...Riptoe is not a powerlifter....he is a weight trainer. There is better advise out there than SS. Search, Learn, Improve
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Old 09-04-2011, 12:27 PM   #16
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

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I do not like the technique in Starting Strength...I think Riptoe has some parts of the deadlift wrong. Your much better off watching videos by Elite FTs, Dave Tate or Louie Simmons on youtube to get great advise on deadlifting technique. Those guys are/have been professional powerlifters...Riptoe is not a powerlifter....he is a weight trainer. There is better advise out there than SS. Search, Learn, Improve
On a sidenote, Rippetoe WAS a powerlifter, I believe he retired a LONG time ago, as he hated the introduction of wraps and suits to aid in more weight lifted. Or something to that effect.
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Old 09-04-2011, 07:20 PM   #17
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

What I meant is that he is not a powerlifting coach and he has admitted that. He coaches weight training. I believe there are better sources of information for technique. Riptoes ides of shoulders infront of the the is a big problem for me.
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Old 09-04-2011, 08:09 PM   #18
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

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Riptoes ides of shoulders infront of the the is a big problem for me.
Because having shoulders in front means the bar must stay close to the body, making the lift easier and more efficient.
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Old 09-04-2011, 08:23 PM   #19
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

I'm sorry thats wrong. Powerlifters like Louie Simmons advocate the shoulders above or behind the bar. Take the theory of a pendulum, if your shoulders are infront of the bar the bar must swing away from the body at the beginning of the life due to gravity, in order for your arms to hang vertical. It the shoulders are above or behing the bar, the bar must rise in a straight line or fall into the body. The deadlift is a pulling backwards motion so why would you want the bar to swing away from yourself. The ideas of shoulders infront of the bar comes from the first pull of an olympic lift, were the shoulders should be infront. That positioning it not optimum for the deadlift. On the crossfit journal Dave Tate teaches the deadlift to HQ staff. When he is teaching it he says to just pick that thing up but make sure your shoulders start behind and you pull backwards. I took my deadlift from 245kg to 262.5kg with technique work involving shoulder position, pulling direction and proper muscle loading at the start of the lift. Pulling shoulders infront of the bar is holding your deadlift back.
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Old 09-04-2011, 08:25 PM   #20
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Re: Revised deadlift form check - trying to make it as good as it can get

This video was done when Dave was at Westside Barbell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr2_mCh2dUI (WFS)

First 30 seconds shows what I am talking about. This guy knows his stuff!
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