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Old 03-22-2006, 09:02 AM   #1
Dennis Yiatras
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today I did the pj's off a rack. Should this exercise be done from the ground. Over all wouldnt from the ground be better than from the rack.

My observation is you get more of a whole body workout from the ground. Or does this really not matter for the pj's..
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Old 03-22-2006, 10:53 AM   #2
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Another question: Should there be a strong shrug in a push jerk?
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Old 03-22-2006, 10:56 AM   #3
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IMO today's workout is suppose to work PJ's and not cleans, so if you have a rack use it.

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Old 03-22-2006, 11:09 AM   #4
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Dennis,
You are correct, one does get more of a whole-body workout if one cleans for each rep. That would be covered in a C&J workout.

Like the "add a pullup every minute" workout, this workout is focusing on one movement, the push press. So, out of the rack is preferable.
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Old 03-22-2006, 01:55 PM   #5
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John,

I really have the same question on the shrug but my observation is that the hip drop/drive would eclipse the need for a powerful shrug at that stage of the lift. Hopefully bigger brains will chime in...
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Old 03-22-2006, 04:36 PM   #6
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Count me in on being interested on the answer to the shrug question. When I do large sets of push presses/jerks I often will have sore traps the next day from the shrug.
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Old 03-22-2006, 04:47 PM   #7
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The bar should start resting on the shoulders and yes, there should be a shrug (in addition to the drive from the legs.)

Press/PushPress/PushJerk/SplitJerk Demo
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Old 03-22-2006, 05:08 PM   #8
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Thanks Lincoln. I assumed as much. The other day after cleans I did a push press with 135# and added a strong shrug. The bar darn near flew out of my hands as I wasn't expecting that much extra thrust. I figured anything that allowed me to put more weight up would be good.

BTW, since no one has answered the question on the comment board, what is the rationale for training a push jerk? It seems like we'd be able to use less weight than a split jerk, but obviously I'm missing something.
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Old 03-22-2006, 06:56 PM   #9
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I am not sure, but I know that push jerks are more efficient for the high rep clean and jerks which Crossfit is fond of. Having to split on a set of 15 or 30 slows you down a lot.
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Old 03-22-2006, 07:27 PM   #10
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I think the benefit may be in the realm of actually getting a super heavy object up to the fully extended height. A Split may not be viable when loading an object in a real world situation.

There may be other rational, but this just seems to fit more in the "demands of actual life" mode to me.
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