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Old 03-01-2008, 11:35 AM   #1
Ben Cook
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SS and Stronglifts 5x5

Hi all. Just a quick question.

I will soon be following the Crossfit WOtD's as shown on the home page.

But i am keen to get a bit more of experience and strength behind me first.

So i plan to follow Chad Waterbury Total Body Training workout for 16 weeks, not sure whether any of you are familiar with this, so here is the link. http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=508031 wfs

Then after that i was thinking of following a Strength increasing workout, Have found a few that seem decent. There is the obvious Starting Strength from Rippetoe that is mentioned and respected on this site, but also a few others, including, Bill Starr's 5x5 and also Stronglifts 5x5. Has anyone else heard of these, which do you recommend?

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Old 03-01-2008, 11:47 AM   #2
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Re: SS and Stronglifts 5x5

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Hi all. Just a quick question.

I will soon be following the Crossfit WOtD's as shown on the home page.

But i am keen to get a bit more of experience and strength behind me first.

So i plan to follow Chad Waterbury Total Body Training workout for 16 weeks, not sure whether any of you are familiar with this, so here is the link. http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=508031 wfs

Then after that i was thinking of following a Strength increasing workout, Have found a few that seem decent. There is the obvious Starting Strength from Rippetoe that is mentioned and respected on this site, but also a few others, including, Bill Starr's 5x5 and also Stronglifts 5x5. Has anyone else heard of these, which do you recommend?

Many Thanks

Ben.
You might be dead, gone, married, injured, in 16 weeks. I'm not sure who Chad is, but I damn well know who Coach Rip is as I'm going his SS program presently, have his book, and plan to shake his hand next month in Ann Arbor.

So let's sum up, 16 weeks of Chad, or just do the classic in every sense of the word SS program, start working CF into your schedule when you feel "strong" enough, though really, you could start a scaled CF program right now, instead of planning out the rest of your future.

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Old 03-01-2008, 11:50 AM   #3
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Re: SS and Stronglifts 5x5

Starting Strength.
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Old 03-01-2008, 12:06 PM   #4
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You might be dead, gone, married, injured, in 16 weeks. I'm not sure who Chad is, but I damn well know who Coach Rip is as I'm going his SS program presently, have his book, and plan to shake his hand next month in Ann Arbor.

So let's sum up, 16 weeks of Chad, or just do the classic in every sense of the word SS program, start working CF into your schedule when you feel "strong" enough, though really, you could start a scaled CF program right now, instead of planning out the rest of your future.
Starting Strength is for 4 month? and what will happen If you I will follow it for 2 month and a half?
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Old 03-01-2008, 12:10 PM   #5
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Re: SS and Stronglifts 5x5

Starting Strength continues as long as you are making linear gains. Could be four months, could be two years.

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Old 03-01-2008, 12:18 PM   #6
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Re: SS and Stronglifts 5x5

OP: what are your lifts numbers, height and weight? This is all that needs to determine what program you should do.


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Starting Strength continues as long as you are making linear gains. Could be four months, could be two years.

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If you're a complete weakling it will probably be closer to 6-8 months (maybe a bit longer) doing SS right to get strong enough that linear gains don't work. Otherwise, it will generally be shorter than that.

Chad's program is somewhat periodized. It won't be optimal for you if your strength is fairly poor. Bill Starr's 5x5 is just off linear gains but still a linearized progression for intermediate lifters focusing on increasing the weight in basically smaller increments than SS. Haven't seen stronglift's 5x5 but it's probably similar to either SS or BS5x5.
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Old 03-01-2008, 12:21 PM   #7
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I think Rip also has some intermediate programming in Practical Programming, in particular, the Texas Method.

But in the beginning, milk and squats are hard to beat.


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Old 03-01-2008, 12:36 PM   #8
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Re: SS and Stronglifts 5x5

Thanks for the replies,

Steven,

I'm almost 17
6 foot exactly
179lbs

Lifts:
Havent tried 1RMs for about a month, so they may be abit lower

Squat: 230 lbs
Deadlift: 297.5 lbs
Bench Press (Very weak, try to do more dips) : 145 lbs
Military Press : 150lbs (pretty rediculous compared to my BP)

Havent tried any 1RMs in things like C&Ps, Snatches etc

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In all honesty, i thought i would do the Chad Waterbury TBT routine, for adding a bit of size and also strength. C. Waterbury seems quite respected and seems to get quite a lot of praise for his workouts.

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Old 03-01-2008, 02:56 PM   #9
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Re: SS and Stronglifts 5x5

This is a no-BS assesment, take it or leave it.

You are new, no shame, just a fact. We all started there.
I read the TBT article, it's too complicated.
Your best course of action is simple linear progression.
Unless you have a coach, you need to read everything you can about form.
You can find all of the form information you could want in Starting Strength(except for the Clean, but you would need a good coach for that, and SS will suffice).

Keep it simple, do not become overzealous with the weight, Strength will come, and size will too if you are eating enough.
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Old 03-01-2008, 03:46 PM   #10
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Re: SS and Stronglifts 5x5

hi Aaron, can i ask, what do you find complicated about the article? Because i find it quite easy to follow, well at least i think i do.

And to be honest im not really that new to training, have been doing it for mabye 6 months, but havent quite got heavy enough weights at home for me to fully utilize progressive overload.

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