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Old 09-26-2012, 11:45 AM   #11
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Re: The Reem, The Roids, How did Mir get off?

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Why are steroids even categorized along the same lines of drugs like cocaine and meth? Congress REALLY cared about the thousands of bodybuilders on steroids and their health?
From what I remember when reading about this in school it was during the Reagan era because their was some media coverage of an "epidemic" of steroid use/abuse in high schools. It was a very political entry in the Controlled Substances Act and a deviation from the standard definition of a controlled substance (potential for physical and/or mental addiction).
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Old 10-07-2012, 11:29 AM   #12
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Re: The Reem, The Roids, How did Mir get off?

My theory is that it's illegal because testosterone is something "manly." These days, manly is bad. Soy in every piece of food you eat with phytoESTROGENS? No problem.

Don't ever let them know that Maca actually can work, or they'll outlaw it do. , they were this close to outlawing CREATINE just because the ignoramuses grouped it close to steroids in their minds. Remember, according to the average femi-nazi, testosterone makes men evil raping murderers. (Forget the fact that it's a mood enhancer, is healthy to have high amounts, and estrogen actually makes you fat and depressed.)

It has more to do with the Everybody-Loves-Ramond-ization of our society than people realize.
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:38 PM   #13
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Re: The Reem, The Roids, How did Mir get off?

Its from stigma not facts... due to over 10 severe concussions and half as many subconcussions I was put in massive amounts of SSRI's, mood stabilizers, MAOIS, all of the poisons they offer with no results from unipolar depression. Only to find out I have hypothalimic/pituatary axes deficiancy which can cause massive depression, now on trt and my life is beyond normal. Being depressed is a symptom and Dr's like to follow the sheep's path on it. Eventually a specialist simply shook their head and told me the facts, and a year later I feel like I lost 10 years of my life. Test is not an evil thing but a thing that if diminished can be a deadly thing. Also the atypical roid rage and bullshvt is from estrogen level not test levels as I understand, caused by high test levels. Taking test by itself is unsafe and dangerous, and unless there is substantial reason for taking it no one should... has saved my life and the misery I was in

Young dummys who are on the stuff for vanity or delusions of being a better athlete need to pay heed. There is price with everything. Mine a professional athlete was hitting my head all the time, but getting paid well and living a gifted life. Now the law of balance brought things back in.

If Reem is on it for his career he will pay a price, as all do... the science behind it all is pretty known and clinically safe, but for athletics I dont know.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:15 AM   #14
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Re: The Reem, The Roids, How did Mir get off?

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Right.. so just like I said, Frank Mir is on the juice.. he gets it prescribed by his doctor under this "TRT" loophole which anyone with more than two braincells knows is BS. Also, he only bothered to reveal that he is on testosterone after the fight was over. The 6:1 Test to EpiTest ratio is meant to give leeway to some 1 in a billion cases where a person has an abnormally high amount of testosterone in their body. None of these fighters can legitimately claim to need TRT. They aren't frail old men who might shatter a hip falling in the driveway, these guys are professional athletes in peak condition. I just can't believe they allow fighters like Mir, Henderson, Sonnen, etc. to get prescribed testosterone but ridicule fighters like Overeem, Sylvia, Carwin, Sherk, for taking "steroids." It's the same damn thing.
There is a HUGE difference between therapeutic and anabolic doses of testosterone. TRT doses are aimed to get the person at the high end of the "normal" range where anabolic doses can get you anywhere from 500-1000% over the standard range. (100-150 mg/wk doses where for performance enhancement you would have to use anywhere from 500-1000 mg/wk!)

Plus Carwin, Sherk had other things in there system (winstrol) amd Overeeem tested with a 14.1 Tto E ratio (which clearly indicates he was not on therapetuc amounts.

The performance enhancements of TRT are probably negligible for an athlete who produces enough T (you would just be replacing what you naturally make). For guys with low T it likely makes a big difference.

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Old 10-10-2012, 09:55 AM   #15
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There is a HUGE difference between therapeutic and anabolic doses of testosterone. TRT doses are aimed to get the person at the high end of the "normal" range where anabolic doses can get you anywhere from 500-1000% over the standard range. (100-150 mg/wk doses where for performance enhancement you would have to use anywhere from 500-1000 mg/wk!)

Plus Carwin, Sherk had other things in there system (winstrol) amd Overeeem tested with a 14.1 Tto E ratio (which clearly indicates he was not on therapetuc amounts.

The performance enhancements of TRT are probably negligible for an athlete who produces enough T (you would just be replacing what you naturally make). For guys with low T it likely makes a big difference.

Agreed with the last part. Someone with a total test count of say 300 is going to have drastically different performance and gains than someone with something like 795 naturally. To anyone interested, try finding out the average levels of test of men in the 1920's-1930's or any period decades ago. It was significantly higher than it is now.
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