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Old 06-10-2011, 11:05 AM   #11
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

Rarely do I disagree with Katherine, but...
Religion is a choice. That choice means giving things up sometimes, even if it means competition in a lifting meet. That's a consequence of the choice to follow any specific religion.
*shrug*
Same goes anyone observing the Sabbath and wanting to do comps. One love has to give way for the other. Which is it going to be?


She's not being mistreated.

She's being treated exactly like everyone else.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 11:27 AM   #12
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

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She's not being mistreated.

She's being treated exactly like everyone else.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 12:07 PM   #13
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

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well, there is this...
...which only reinforces Katherine's point.

Having 16 years of Catholic schooling, I know that only certain groups of Catholic religious are expected to wear certain garments at all times, and it's very rare.

I've also studied in a Muslim country and I know that no observant Muslim woman would ever remove her hijab in public. Very different regulations than that of Catholic ordained.


And lest anyone say that it wouldn't really matter to change the rules of weightlifting so that Muslim woman could compete, don't forget that three of the current weightlifting powerhouses -- Turkey, Iran, and Kazakstan -- are predominantly Muslim. And I know at least Hossein Rezazadeh is a devout Muslim, and I'm sure there are plenty more competitive male weightlifters who are Muslim.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 12:11 PM   #14
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

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She's not being mistreated.

She's being treated exactly like everyone else.
Being treated equally before the law is NOT the same as being treated as equal.

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Old 06-10-2011, 12:23 PM   #15
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

I hear ya, Shane - I had plenty of Catholic schooling (and service as an altar boy) myself as a kid. My specific reference was to the Orders of Franciscan Friars, as opposed to the less strict (in dress, at least) Roman Catholic Priests.
I have seen plenty of Catholic Priests in "regular" clothes, but I have never seen a Friar who wasn't wearing his habit.

Anyway, my commentary on this particular issue (directed mostly at Matthew), was meant more in jest than anything else.
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Old 06-10-2011, 12:35 PM   #16
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She's not being treated unfairly. The expectations placed on her are the same as the expectations placed on everyone else.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 01:08 PM   #17
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She's not being treated unfairly. The expectations placed on her are the same as the expectations placed on everyone else.
Good post(s) Jamie. I do agree with you.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 01:22 PM   #18
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She's not being treated unfairly. The expectations placed on her are the same as the expectations placed on everyone else.
I don't think her treatment is unfair. I do think the rule should be changed.

Partly because, as Shane points out, there are potentially many excellent female lifters who happen to be Muslims, and encouraging them would be good for the sport. And partly because I think it is a good thing -- for them and for society -- for observant Muslim women to be able to participate in the larger society without being forced to abandon their culture.

Katherine
 
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

Methinks you may be singing a different tune if it was a Christian person that couldn't do something because of their faith. But ya know because she's Muslim and different then to heck with her! She's being treated equally!
 
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Private organization, they stae their rules to play, if you like their rules make your own organization.
 
 


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