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Old 09-10-2007, 04:33 PM   #11
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Re: Shame On The Ufc!!!

Just read this from Kevin Iole's column on Yahoo:

Dana White on the controversy and questions of integrity: "These controversies that come up don't mean a thing to me and they roll off my back with no problem because I know it's all (expletive),"

Wow. Nice to hear you're in tune with your customers, Dana. I was on the fence on ordering UFC 76. Not anymore, jack.
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Old 09-10-2007, 05:51 PM   #12
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Re: Shame On The Ufc!!!

I have to disagree with Becca Rogan and Goldberg said on several occasions in the 2 and 3rd round that Hamill was on his way to a decision and that he was dominating the fight.

I watched it over again and only listened to the commentating just to see if it was as bad as everyone was saying.
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Old 09-10-2007, 06:42 PM   #13
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Re: Shame On The Ufc!!!

He made an awful lot of claims about Bisping nearly having submitted Hamill when it definitely was not the case. He had one good sub attempt at the beginning of the fight and never again.
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Old 09-10-2007, 06:55 PM   #14
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Re: Shame On The Ufc!!!

Joe posted this over on mma.tv:

"From: Joe Rogan
Date: 09/09/07 08:54 PM

I've gotten a ton of emails about this, and I've seen all the threads here about it so I thought I would make a reply. I thought that clearly the most damage in the fight was done by Hamill in the first round. That was really the only time anyone was hurt. Hamill hit Bisbing with a huge right hand and had him hurt very badly. Hamill got some takedowns after that, but was unable to do any significant damage from them.

As for scoring, I just walked in the door from London, so I'll have to look at the fight again and see what I think, but I remember when the fight was over I thought that if I had to bet, I would say that Hamill was going to walk away with a close decision. The first round was clearly his, the second was probably his as well, and I thought Bisbing did enough to win the third.

At the time I honestly didn't think the decision was that crazy. We see so many ****ing weird scorecards in the UFC that maybe I'm just getting used to it.

For instance, if I'm not mistaken, one of the judges in the Clay Guida vs Marcus Arellio fight scored the fight for Arellio, and I thought that was just ****ing insane. Fortunately the other two saw it for Guida and he walked away with the win, but it's an example of how goofy the scoring can be sometimes.

As for anyone telling me what to say or who to put the emphasis on during the commentary, I can tell you 100% that it has never happened. The ONLY thing that the ufc has ever asked me not to do, was mention Pride by name when they were in the middle of negotiations and **** was getting ugly between them. This was around the time when they had Wanderlei come into the UFC and challenge Chuck with a Pride T shirt on, and the UFC had felt like they were getting played and that Pride was using the negotiations to get free publicity for Pride in the USA and that they didn't really have intentions to have any of their fighters come over here.

I thought regardless of the decision, the Hamill Bisbing fight was very entertaining, and both guys fought their hearts out. Coming on here and ****ting on Bisbing for his performance is just ignorant. He did his best against a powerful guy that surprised him with some new found skills and a good game plan. The decision isn't going to hurt Hamill in any way, and in fact it probably made him some new fans. It's certainly not going to hurt him in the long run with the UFC. If I was advising Bisbing, I would probably tell him to drop down to 185. He walks around at 205 with a little body fat, and if he changed his diet and concentrated on the lighter weight class I think it suits his frame more.

I think there have been some really insightful posts on here about scoring, and some very good suggestions. One of them that I think we should look in to, is announcing the scorecards after each round. That could possibly help, and the only downside I can think of is that it would make some guys that are ahead ease up and take fewer chances because they know they've got a win in the bank if they can just coast. A way around that would be finishing bonuses for a submission or KO.

Overall though, I think this decision outlines a real problem that we have in this sport using a scoring system that was designed for boxing. I believe we need to use a more comprehensive system that quantifies each aspect of the sport. It's not going to be easy to come up with, but I think that decisions like this are going to eventually force a change. Personally, I prefer the scoring that they used in Pride where they judge the fight as a whole and count the damage being scored at the end more highly. "
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:52 AM   #15
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Re: Shame On The Ufc!!!

Dang, sounds like I missed an interesting one.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:26 AM   #16
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Re: Shame On The Ufc!!!

I know in the States the licensing body supplies judges, and I would imagine a similar thing for London. It's not like its UFC employees who are making the decisions for the scores.
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Old 09-11-2007, 06:54 AM   #17
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Re: Shame On The Ufc!!!

I've been reading up on this one and it turns out one of the judges made a public statement. It also seems one of the big questions is how the UFC organizes fights when there is no regulating body in the UK for MMA. A different piece than the one linked below at Yahoo sports describes that process. I believe Kevin Iole wrote it.

The MMAjunkie.com report: Judge in controversy posts message
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_yl...=lgns&expire=1
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:51 AM   #18
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Re: Shame On The Ufc!!!

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I know in the States the licensing body supplies judges, and I would imagine a similar thing for London. It's not like its UFC employees who are making the decisions for the scores.
By that same logic there would be no corruption in boxing.

Just because a judge/referee is not hired by a promotion, does not mean they are not accessible.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:31 AM   #19
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By that same logic there would be no corruption in boxing.

Just because a judge/referee is not hired by a promotion, does not mean they are not accessible.
I don't see any evidence that the UFC or Zuffa bribed the judges to make the decision they wanted. It was a bad call, but implying that the UFC somehow did something illegal without proof is kind of crazy
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:36 AM   #20
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Re: Shame On The Ufc!!!

I just watched the fight last night and was shocked to say the least at the decision. I am dissapointed and hope that this decision is not indicative of what's to come for the UFC.
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