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Old 06-10-2011, 06:35 AM   #1
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Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate
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Not sure if this is the type of stuff that goes straight into the bucket, but look! Her shirt!
 
Old 06-10-2011, 07:35 AM   #2
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

I just read about the Iranian women's soccer team having to forfeit their 2012 Olympic qualifier due to their headscarves.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/blo...?urn=oly-wp280

I wonder which way this one will go.

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Old 06-10-2011, 07:39 AM   #3
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

Her shirt and pants look more than snug enough that the judges should have no problem establishing that her elbows and knees are locked.

No reason not to allow this IMO.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 09:30 AM   #4
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

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Her shirt and pants look more than snug enough that the judges should have no problem establishing that her elbows and knees are locked.

No reason not to allow this IMO.
No, no, rules is rules.

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The IWF constitution also states that no distinction is made among individuals based on religion.
Same with the FIFA decision posted by Sean, although FIFA also had legitimate concerns about choking hazards as well.
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Old 06-10-2011, 09:47 AM   #5
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

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No, no, rules is rules.
Sometimes rules need to be changed.

Assuming that legitimate concerns -- such as verifying lockout -- can be addressed, refusing to allow her to compete would effectively ban observant Muslim women from the sport. I don't see that as a desirable outcome.

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Sometimes rules need to be changed.

Assuming that legitimate concerns -- such as verifying lockout -- can be addressed, refusing to allow her to compete would effectively ban observant Muslim women from the sport. I don't see that as a desirable outcome.

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If that's the case, then I'm lifting in this:

http://www.stmarymoorfields.net/imag...me-532x380.jpg WFS
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If that's the case, then I'm lifting in this:

http://www.stmarymoorfields.net/imag...me-532x380.jpg WFS
Please point to the religious rules that require you to dress like that at all times. If you can do so then sure, I'm right there with you.

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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

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If that's the case, then I'm lifting in this:

http://www.stmarymoorfields.net/imag...me-532x380.jpg WFS
You overstepped, Matthew...
should have posted this: (wfs)
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Re: Muslim weightlifter's wish to wear modest clothing triggers rules debate

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Please point to the religious rules that require you to dress like that at all times. If you can do so then sure, I'm right there with you.

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well, there is this...

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Pope John Paul II in his Post-Apostolic Exhortation Vita consecrata (1996) says concerning the religious habit of consecrated persons:

25 The Church must always seek to make her presence visible in everyday life, especially in contemporary culture, which is often very secularized and yet sensitive to the language of signs. In this regard the Church has a right to expect a significant contribution from consecrated persons, called as they are in every situation to bear clear witness that they belong to Christ.
Since the habit is a sign of consecration, poverty and membership in a particular Religious family, I join the Fathers of the Synod in strongly recommending to men and women religious that they wear their proper habit, suitably adapted to the conditions of time and place.
Where valid reasons of their apostolate call for it, Religious, in conformity with the norms of their Institute, may also dress in a simple and modest manner, with an appropriate symbol, in such a way that their consecration is recognizable.
Institutes which from their origin or by provision of their Constitutions do not have a specific habit should ensure that the dress of their members corresponds in dignity and simplicity to the nature of their vocation.
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