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Old 08-10-2008, 01:01 AM   #21
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Re: Lean muscle vs muscle mass...

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So Ronnie Coleman is 300 pounds competition (from his website), and deadlifts 800 for 3 reps.

Thats a 2.6 x BW deadlift for 3 reps.

Andy Bolton weighs 370 pounds (from his website) and lifts 1003 for the current world record.

Thats a 2.7 x BW deadlift - 1 rep.

Please end the ridiculous notion that bodybuilders are on this huge different spectrum than powerlifters - they aren't.

I agree wholeheartedly with Sara Fleming - everyone is different. Not all bodybuilders are going to be doing huge weights - but those who win competitions are, and don't be fooled they aren't.

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At the time of Ronnies deadlift he was 5.5 weeks out from competition. And back then I dont think he had a 300 competition weight, so he was probably 10-15 lighter then that.
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Old 08-10-2008, 01:19 PM   #22
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Re: Lean muscle vs muscle mass...

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At the time of Ronnies deadlift he was 5.5 weeks out from competition. And back then I dont think he had a 300 competition weight, so he was probably 10-15 lighter then that.
Actually if anything he would have been 10-15 lbs heavier than that because BBers always carry fat in the off season when they are eating like elephants and trying to pack on more mass.
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Old 08-10-2008, 02:35 PM   #23
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Actually if anything he would have been 10-15 lbs heavier than that because BBers always carry fat in the off season when they are eating like elephants and trying to pack on more mass.
Ronnie's 320 in the off season. His competitoin weight is 285 I think? So if he was 5 weeks out he was probably 295-300 when the video of him deadlifting 800# x 2 5 weeks out from the Olympia took place. But who knows.

I know Mariusz Pudzianowski weighs about 300 lbs and has some pretty nice stats (bp 600+, BS and DL 800+). He's always great to watch in strongmen competitions.

Man, all these guys make me feel like Mr. Furley. lol

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Old 08-10-2008, 02:49 PM   #24
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I know the last time Ronnie won Mr. Olympia he was 296 for that comp. Again thats a while ago so i have no clue if hes cut back a little, but thats where he used to be when he was on top of the game.
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Old 08-10-2008, 06:33 PM   #25
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Re: Lean muscle vs muscle mass...

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So Ronnie Coleman is 300 pounds competition (from his website), and deadlifts 800 for 3 reps.

Thats a 2.6 x BW deadlift for 3 reps.

Andy Bolton weighs 370 pounds (from his website) and lifts 1003 for the current world record.

Thats a 2.7 x BW deadlift - 1 rep.

Please end the ridiculous notion that bodybuilders are on this huge different spectrum than powerlifters - they aren't.

I agree wholeheartedly with Sara Fleming - everyone is different. Not all bodybuilders are going to be doing huge weights - but those who win competitions are, and don't be fooled they aren't.

This is starting to become a .
In all fairness, though, it's easier to have a higher strength-to-weight ratio the lighter you are. As you increase in weight, strength doesn't increase as quickly. So I'm sure there's some tiny little 120 lb Oly lifter or gymnast or Crossfitter or someone who can deadlift 3 x BW, but I wouldn't call him or her stronger than Ronnie or Andy.

So Ronnie has a bit of an advantage over Andy since he weighs less. But I agree that we are beating a dead horse. There are some very strong people. Some are powerlifters, some are bodybuilders, some are neither.
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Old 08-10-2008, 08:04 PM   #26
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Re: Lean muscle vs muscle mass...

http://www.hipertrofia.org/img/franco01.jpg

Franco was DL'ing in the mid-to high 700s at a BW of 180lbs as well.

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http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images...378.franco.JPG
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Old 08-10-2008, 10:56 PM   #27
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http://www.hipertrofia.org/img/franco01.jpg

Franco was DL'ing in the mid-to high 700s at a BW of 180lbs as well.

And...

http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images...378.franco.JPG
Franco is one of my all-time favorite bodybuilders. He was actually stronger than Arnold. If I remember right, Arnold said his max bench press was 500 while Franco has done 525 for triples. He was stronger in the squat and deadlift too. That guy was truly a beast.
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Old 08-10-2008, 11:20 PM   #28
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Re: Lean muscle vs muscle mass...

Franco was better but the little guys don't get the prize.
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