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Old 12-16-2009, 02:47 PM   #11
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Re: progenex?!

Not sure what claims I made that were outlandish. Never said anything is wrong with protein powder either. My point is Progenex, like most other supplement companies, makes bold statements about the efficacy of their product. Here is an example straight from their website:

"By producing unprecedented gains in strength, muscle mass, and exercise recovery, PROGENEX empowers athletes to reach their full potential...and to do so faster than ever before."

What do they have to back this claim up with?
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:48 PM   #12
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How can crossfit back up the claim that it adds more muscle mass than any other program?

Let it go...
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Old 12-16-2009, 02:50 PM   #13
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Re: progenex?!

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Sometimes supplements have advantages over whole foods.

And nobody's holdin' anyone down. Sponsorship is fine with me as long as they don't start calling the shots when it comes to the games.
Not likely.
Do you think Coca-Cola or VISA or McD's "calls the shots" for the US Olympic Team, or the Olympic Games for that matter?

I'm sure they'll be given a prominent place on fliers/posters/etc. and a booth to give away and/or sell their wares, but that is to be expected when you have any major sponsor at an event. It is a MARKETING tool for the company who is putting up the $$$.

It ain't personal -- it's business.
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Old 12-16-2009, 02:51 PM   #14
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How can crossfit back up the claim that it adds more muscle mass than any other program?

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When did CF make that claim? And if it did than this actually is a perfect marriage of brands.
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:55 PM   #15
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In the faq

1.6. Will I/can I get big doing CrossFit?

If you train the WODs hard, and eat right and get lots of sleep, you will definitely gain lean mass, lose fat, and yes, you can build muscle mass with the crossfit protocol. More specifically, according to Coach,
Here is a hierarchy of training for mass from greater to lesser efficacy:
1. Bodybuilding on steroids
2. CrossFitting on steroids
3. CrossFitting without steroids
4. Bodybuilding without steroids
The bodybuilding model is designed around, requires, steroids for significant hypertrophy.
The neuroendocrine response of bodybuilding protocols is so blunted that without "exogenous hormonal therapy" little happens.
The CrossFit protocol is designed to elicit a substantial neuroendocrine whollop and hence packs an anabolic punch that puts on impressive amounts of muscle though that is not our concern. Strength is.
Natural bodybuilders (the natural ones that are not on steroids) never approach the mass that our ahtletes do. They don't come close.
Those athletes who train for function end up with better form than those who value form over function. This is one of the beautiful ironies of training.
 
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When did CF make that claim? And if it did than this actually is a perfect marriage of brands.
Pretty sure it's in the FAQ on mainsite somewhere. Unless it's been removed.

And are you suggesting that there's something wrong with adding muscle? I might be missing the point of your second sentence.
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:00 PM   #17
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I know about the CF v. BB thing in the FAQ, but you said 'any program'. CF definitely doesn't add more muscle mass than ANY program.

And my second sentence was that if CF claims to add more muscle mass than ANY program then they make just as exaggerated claims as Progenex.

My whole point is that this is a slippery slope for CF if they are going to bring on sponsors purely for business purposes.
 
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Oh, what program intends to add more mass than one that is described using the words "bodybuilding"?

Anyway, that's a different discussion. If you win, you can give it back, but I'll spend it on a new gym.

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Old 12-16-2009, 03:26 PM   #19
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Oh, what program intends to add more mass than one that is described using the words "bodybuilding"?
How about Starting Strength.

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Anyway, that's a different discussion. If you win, you can give it back, but I'll spend it on a new gym.

Business is important.
So if McD's ponies up $50k for 2011 it will sit well with you?
 
Old 12-16-2009, 03:30 PM   #20
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Starting strength only works for about 9 months at most, then you have to switch. And when you say "Cf adds more muscle", what you mean by crossfit? THe mainpage, a hybrid, or any one of the affiliates that do their own programming?
 
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