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Old 07-22-2010, 02:48 PM   #61
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Re: Concerned what effect the 2010 programming will have on future competitors :(

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Focusing on weaknesses should be a no-brainer if you want to compete...
Oh I don't. Ever.

I'm just saying that randomly varied may work well for eliciting change in the body but it's not great for learning very technical movements.

It also doesn't seem to help some lifts like bench press/deadhang pullups as far as I've seen.

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Old 07-22-2010, 02:52 PM   #62
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Wasn't my point.

You have said a few times in this thread that we should have known muscle-ups and other stuff like that would be in the Games because they are on the CF WODs all the time.

That's not a test of unknown/unknowable.
Point taken. I see what you're saying.

Another way of looking at it, though, is that an agility test is completely legit as one of the components of fitness. So well-rounded competitors should have been working on agility whether it was in the mainpage WODs or not. If not rope climbs, then maybe "learning and playing new sports?" Would you have been happier with a tree or boulder climbing event?

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Old 07-22-2010, 02:53 PM   #63
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Re: Concerned what effect the 2010 programming will have on future competitors :(

I do...
pull-ups, barbell rows, bench, overhead press, clean, jerk, snatch, deadlift, and squat at least once every 2 weeks (and generally once or twice each week) in a legitimate strength session (not just a heavy metcon).

I don't know how people can get much stronger doing main page WODs and going heavy on each of those exercises maybe once a month.
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Old 07-22-2010, 02:54 PM   #64
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Would you have been happier with a tree or boulder climbing event?

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Yes.

And the rope climb/wall jump (esp. wall jump b/c we've never seen it) was one of my favorite events. I also liked the sandbags.
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:06 PM   #65
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Yes.

And the rope climb/wall jump (esp. wall jump b/c we've never seen it) was one of my favorite events. I also liked the sandbags.
Fair enough. I think I've gotten two groups of commenters mixed up, and put you in the wrong group.

To the folks who object to skill-based events, I would say that the mainpage gave a pretty clear indication of what skills to expect, so get over it.

But I tend to agree with the folks (like you) who complain that relying on CF movements makes it a test of CF specialists, not GPP. I too would like to see more creative events, especially if they *aren't* pure tests of strength/speed/endurance. If we're training for the real world, then let's see real world tasks.

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Old 07-23-2010, 03:09 PM   #66
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Re: Concerned what effect the 2010 programming will have on future competitors :(

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I don't know how people can get much stronger doing main page WODs and going heavy on each of those exercises maybe once a month.
That's the cool thing about it. I have a hard time understanding why it works, but it does. All my lifts keep going up and I'm either Advanced or Elite on the Starting Strength charts, so I'm not coming from an untrained background.
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Old 07-23-2010, 04:09 PM   #67
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That's the cool thing about it. I have a hard time understanding why it works, but it does. All my lifts keep going up and I'm either Advanced or Elite on the Starting Strength charts, so I'm not coming from an untrained background.
I don't know anyone else like this. I know that one of the kids that comes to the emory gym does the main page wods religiously, and he makes minimal gains.

What is advanced/elite on the SS charts? (what numbers?)
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Old 07-24-2010, 03:20 AM   #68
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Re: Concerned what effect the 2010 programming will have on future competitors :(

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I don't know anyone else like this. I know that one of the kids that comes to the emory gym does the main page wods religiously, and he makes minimal gains.

What is advanced/elite on the SS charts? (what numbers?)
I dont know but i find it hard to believe that only lifting heavy 4-6 times a month you can continue to see gains at that level
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:49 AM   #69
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I don't know anyone else like this. I know that one of the kids that comes to the emory gym does the main page wods religiously, and he makes minimal gains.

What is advanced/elite on the SS charts? (what numbers?)
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf

It was published in the journal a while back and comes from Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe.
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Old 07-25-2010, 01:52 PM   #70
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Re: Concerned what effect the 2010 programming will have on future competitors :(

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I disagree with almost everything you just said, Kevin.
same here Justin, would have to seriously question the validity of a "crossfit gym" that doesnt own a set of rings. And doing pistols for the first time? Kevin, are you new to crossfit? The pistol is staple exercise that comes up occasionally on the mainsite, and imho, it could come up more. Pistols are on my goat list, now even a higher priority. Muscle ups? If you made it to the games you should be able to do 30 muscle ups. Barring the wall climbs, most of the movements came up in mainsite wods over 2009-2010. Ring HSPU's? Yes, I think twice, and I cursed them.

So all of this talk about no strength tests at the games. Are 35 315 deadlifts in 7 minutes not a strength test?

There is a lot of talk here about what Crossfit was, or should be. Wasn't Crossfit originally used for firefighters, warriors, cops, athletes etc? Remember the concept of Functional Fitness? Not sport. Functional Fitness. Now lets look at people that need and use functional fitness. Navy Seals, Cops, Warriors, Firefighters. The fit ones are not lumbering 225+ strength monsters. The are usually wirey, somewhat thin, strong as hell and can do endurance if called to do so. Power to Weight Ratio. It all comes down to that, and it was proudly on display at the games. People love to weight lift, eat and get strong, I know that for sure. But lets not mistake why we are here. Strength is only one component of 10 on the skills list. And if your big, of course you will be slow at everything else. Personally I am glad the BW work is coming back along with true usable functional fitness that you can use, as I feel as a community we have gotten away from that over the last few years.
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