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Old 08-18-2009, 01:30 PM   #31
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Re: Understanding the CFT rationale

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It has no shortcomings because it is not an end-all-be-all measure of anything other than your specific performance in 3 lifts on a given day.
Then why not call it the "These 3 Lifts Total?" Why attach CFs name to something it doesn't think measures what the business represents?
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Old 08-18-2009, 01:39 PM   #32
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Re: Understanding the CFT rationale

It's to differentiate it from a PowerLiftingTotal, which includes Bench Press, rather than standing overhead press. Trying to bring back the press. If someone gets off their duff and creates a CFT federation (which is in the minds of those involved that created this), it will be Cool.

And strength is a (as in "one of the," not "the") fundamental core value of Crossfit.
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Old 08-18-2009, 01:40 PM   #33
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Re: Understanding the CFT rationale

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Then why not call it the "These 3 Lifts Total?" Why attach CFs name to something it doesn't think measures what the business represents?
Because CrossFit uses those three lifts in its "Total".
Other organizations use different lifts (usually the bench press instead of shoulder press).

If somebody says, "what is your CFT" to you, you know the lifts they are talking about and can tell them.

same thing goes with your FGB score, or tabata something else score.

If somebody asks what your Fran time is, you know what they mean by that too.

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Old 08-18-2009, 01:42 PM   #34
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Then why not call it the "These 3 Lifts Total?" Why attach CFs name to something it doesn't think measures what the business represents?
As stated above by Jamie and others, CF measures fitness in 10 different categories. Strength is one of them. The CFT is just ONE measure of strength.
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Old 08-18-2009, 01:47 PM   #35
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Re: Understanding the CFT rationale

Alright I guess this has run it's course. I suppose the way it is now where you just measure your total fitness by comparing CFT and various named workout times, sets, reps, etc. is a perfectly valid, although somewhat long and arbitrary way when one could rather easily measure maxes in relative strength and thereby have a pretty solid measure of total strength at least. But to each their own I guess. In the long run I bet this will happen anyway if what Jacob says about a CFT federation is correct, but it'd be nice to be able to shape these concepts on these very forums where so much great information is already conceived.
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Old 08-18-2009, 01:54 PM   #36
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Re: Understanding the CFT rationale

Weightlifting and power lifting already have such scales based on body mass and mass lifted, but they are a sliding scale. Lighter lifters have to lift more relative to their body mass to be in the same class as heavier lifters.

Remember, weight classes exist because heavy weights are nice people
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Old 08-18-2009, 01:57 PM   #37
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Then why not call it the "These 3 Lifts Total?" Why attach CFs name to something it doesn't think measures what the business represents?
Fine, call it the "3 lifts" total. Now like Rip advises...shut up and go do your squats
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The only arithmetic that should be involved with the CFT is:
* Adding up your 3 lifts to make your total
* Calculating the increase from your last total

It has no shortcomings because it is not an end-all-be-all measure of anything other than your specific performance in 3 lifts on a given day.
What he said x10!
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Remember, weight classes exist because heavy weights are nice people
I thought weight classes existed so that when the heavyweights ATE the lightweights after a competition, they could calculate the macros easier?
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Old 08-18-2009, 02:27 PM   #40
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It has no shortcomings because it is not an end-all-be-all measure of anything other than your specific performance in 3 lifts on a given day.
Oh lordy I was almost ready to drop this. From the CFJ article on the CFT:

"The way to bring more strength to the CrossFit approach is with the CrossFit Total. The CrossFit Total is the sum of the best of three attempts at the squat, the press, and the deadlift, the three most effective lifts in existence for developing and testing functional strength." [emphasis mine]

There is a little more to it than just performance in those lifts equaling...performance in those lifts. Hence why we're having this discussion about total fitness, or total strength at least.

That's the point of all this: What simple metrics can be used to measure implied performance in as many movements/disciplines as possible?

Another gem from Coach Sommers' book, which I'll paraphrase out of respect by just saying that press handstand ability often implies the gymnast's overall ability in more advanced elements.
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