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Old 05-01-2008, 08:48 AM   #1
Chris Bate
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U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

"Iowa Lift" (WFS)

Over in the "CF and Arms" thread someone mentioned a video of U of Iowa wrestlers working out, so I set off to find it. It lead me to FloWrestling (like Youtube for wrestling), one of my favorite sites.

They use many isolation exercises with high intensity and bad form...

The comments below the video offer a wide variety of opinions, and I'm sure this community could offer a much more civilized discussion without all the flaming.

All I have to say is they DID win the title this year.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:37 AM   #2
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Re: U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

Well, they admit to bad form and "horsing" the weight up "using all muscles", but it seems to me that the way they are doing it is simply using the muscles they already have strength in to compensate for their weaknesses. Isn't that what bad form generally comes from in the first place?
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:59 AM   #3
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Re: U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

That is actually an explosive lift used for high intensity cow tipping...an Iowa secret.....
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:20 AM   #4
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Re: U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

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That is actually an explosive lift used for high intensity cow tipping...an Iowa secret.....


sadly, a lot of our athletes in the US are good in spite of their training, not because of it.
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Old 05-01-2008, 12:09 PM   #5
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Re: U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

DELETED BY MODERATOR BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LINK, BUT AN ACTUAL DOWNLOAD TO YOUR MACHINE.

Andrew, don't do this . . . find the youtube copy, post a link, mark it as "work and family safe" (or not) . . .

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Old 05-01-2008, 12:19 PM   #6
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Re: U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

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sadly, a lot of our athletes in the US are good in spite of their training, not because of it.
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe Brands just gave really good speeches this year
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Old 05-02-2008, 05:05 AM   #7
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Re: U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

Saw the video a while back when it first came out on Flowrestling and was also surprised at there wieght training techniques. In contrast there are also some videos of Kent State's training techniques and there's looks to be much better, mid-major school and all.

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Old 05-02-2008, 06:04 AM   #8
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Re: U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

The part that really suprises/shocks me is that they curl more than they clean in the video.
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:43 AM   #9
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Re: U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

I find it hard to believe that these guys are just unknowingly training like this with out purpose. Its freaking Iowa wrestling for gods sake. There has to be something behind this.

I'm no expert, but maybe its because wrestling is a "fast twitch" "jerky" activity, thus they are taught to train that way. Furthermore, I noticed how they don't push straight overhead with the jerks- but kind of forward. If you think about it, a wrestler would never need to push straight overhead (well maybe, but highly unlikely) Therefore the angle they are using is more realistic to the sport. I read an article about matt hughes, and he said he does very little straight overhead lifting, because he said "when am I going to have to do that in a fight?" again, I'm no expert, I just am trying to explain why they look like this.

This brings me to the question of "why can't you adapt the clean or whatever else to a more sport specific movement. Like the long thread from a week or so ago that discusses why coaches don't use full oly lifts- because they just want to develop the "off the block" explosiveness, not the full range neccessary for oly lifters.

To reiterate, I just find it really hard to believe that Iowa would be doing something that is "without purpose" or detrimental to their training. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but they have to have trainers, specialists, etc out the wazoo at that place, not to mention those athletes have been in gyms since they could walk- they are probably very knowledgeable themselves.
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:52 AM   #10
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Re: U of Iowa Wrestling Lift... Hmm...

^^^^^^^^^^^^

However, I do agree that some of the lifts do look dangerous and dumb. No offense to any wrestlers out there, but most of the ones I have hung out with are masochists, who have no regard for what could hurt them, they are just relentless bulldogs, who I would never F!@# with.

My good friend from high-school wrestled D-1 in Illinois, and he was an animal, he would get drunk with us until 2 or three, then drive back to school and go to wrestling practice. I went to a college party with the wrestlers and they all drink liquor to keep weight and are just CRAZY!!

The same dangerous activity goes with military training, I haven't seen it discussed much on these boards, but do you think running a 10 mile trail or beach, with a pack on is "good" for you back. HELL NO!!

I have friends who's bodies are trashed from the military. With things like wrestling or hardcore military- its a shame, but its all about how "tough" you are, and they don't really care how beat up you get in the process.

PS- I do MMA training, and have lots of friends in the military, just to let you know that I'm not completely talking out of my a@$
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