CrossFit Discussion Board  

Go Back   CrossFit Discussion Board > CrossFit Forum > Fitness
CrossFit Home Forum Site Rules CrossFit FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Fitness Theory and Practice. CrossFit's rationale & foundations. Who is fit? What is fitness?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-09-2005, 09:51 PM   #1
Mikael Všlitalo
Departed Mikael Všlitalo is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 1970
 
Posts: 61
Hello guys,

I was thinking tonight about how important lightning reflexes are in many sports and even survival... I can think of dozens of scenarios where even the fittest person on earth would be helpless without great reflexes. Then it occurred to me that Crossfit never mentions reflexes in its definition of fitness, and I have never seen any program, be it GPP or SPP, target reaction time specifically. Heck I even did a search on these forums and found nothing. Then I thought "hey, how could anyone train to improve their reflexes?" I couldn't really come up with an answer, but then again maybe the question is dumb (I'm tired).

What do you think?
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 10:01 PM   #2
Rob McBee
Affiliate Rob McBee is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Portland  OR
Posts: 397
Olympic lifts
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 01:35 AM   #3
Christian Lemburg
Member Christian Lemburg is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Aachen  NRW
Posts: 308
If you really mean reflexes as in the medical definition, training them will most probably take the form of full body coordination exercises - how about gymnastics (balancing!) and olympic lifts augmented by some cross-country running?

If you mean reflexes as in "he really has fast reactions", training them will rather take the form of short sport specific drills to form the right expectation about what will happen next.

Fast reflexes in the second sense (e.g., as in the martial arts) are the result of optimized observation - orientation - decision - action loops (OODA loop, see http://www.d-n-i.net/second_level/boyd_military.htm for more info on this), where time is spent primarily in the orientation and decision phases. The orientation phase can probably only be shortened by "experience" (e.g., in the martial arts, through sparring, scenario training, or visualization exercises), while the trick to shorten the decision phase is to limit it to few alternatives (e.g., in the martial arts, concentration on a few basic techniques that solve many situations).

What I find particularly interesting is the idea that "fast reflexes" (in the second sense) can be developed by visualization exercises. Indeed, in Krav Maga, the Israeli self-defense system, visualization of scenarios is used to train high-risk situations where "real-life" training would mean unacceptable risks for the participants.

Cheers,

Christian
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 05:40 AM   #4
bill fox
Departed bill fox is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 1970
 
Posts: 587
http://bosufitness.com/bolaTrainer.php
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 08:21 AM   #5
Roger Harrell
Affiliate Roger Harrell is offline
 
Roger Harrell's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Rafael  CA
Posts: 2,318
Try playing handball with one of those bumpy dog toys. :-)
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 08:54 AM   #6
Mikael Všlitalo
Departed Mikael Všlitalo is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 1970
 
Posts: 61
Interesting replies guys, thanks.

It is indeed the fast reflexes in the second sense that I was talking about, Christian: that OODA loop is exactly what I meant.

Roger: funnily enough I've fooled around quite a bit with those bumpy toys! It's really frustrating but then you get the hang of it... Which makes me think that it is quite difficult to separate anticipation from reflexes.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 09:12 AM   #7
Ray Cooper
Member Ray Cooper is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: varies  der...
Posts: 42
Shooting. As in competitve shooting where you're timed off the draw to engagement. Look into IDPA and IPSC pistol events. Fun too.

Also, boxing or some kinda stand-up MA where you actually hit and get hit would be a good choice. Arguably cheaper too, at least to start.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 04:52 PM   #8
Jeremy Jones
Affiliate Jeremy Jones is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Concord  Ca
Posts: 1,218
"Cheaper"

Depends if you wear a mouth piece or not.



Or if you have medical insurance.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 08:37 AM   #9
Steve Shafley
Banned Steve Shafley is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Saginaw  MI
Posts: 508
With experience comes reaction time.

You need to drill your response to improve it's time. With anything.

When I played rugby, I used to have all sorts of decision trees, for example:

Ball Carrier is approaching me:
Response 1: Tackle him
Response 2: Go in to strip the ball
Response 3: Threaten him, but wait for the pass to try to pick it off or follow the ball.

This was too much, and I decided my only response was to tackle the ball carrier. This was, in retrospect, the best thing to do in 99.9% of all situations, and the other 0.01% could be improvised.

Eliminating the other options increased my reaction time dramatically. Plus, I no longer focused on his eyes or the ball, only on his center of gravity, and got juked less often.





  Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 10:45 AM   #10
Eric Cimrhanzel
Member Eric Cimrhanzel is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Houston and College Station  TX
Posts: 297
Steve,

Interesting, I was taught that in both wrestling and football (the brief year I played). When taking an opponent down, don't look neccesarily at him, but look for his center. Don't ever look at his eyes. I didn't understand it at first, but once I did, both tackles on the field and takedowns on the mat went up.

I had forgotten all about that.
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Quick Question...maybe I'm a bit S..l...o....w Brian Dolan Starting 6 04-10-2007 10:53 PM
Quick question Clinton Wheat Nutrition 1 01-05-2007 06:29 PM
A quick hello Thomas McDonald Starting 4 11-03-2005 12:15 PM
Quick question Will Levine Nutrition 8 02-27-2005 04:12 PM
Quick gym John de la Garza Equipment 23 08-12-2004 12:00 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
CrossFit is a registered trademark of CrossFit Inc.