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Old 12-29-2008, 01:39 PM   #1
Joseph Gammon
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whole milk - I asked my doctor today

I am sure that some of the people on the board are doctors, nutritionist, etc...but I personally have not talked to any of them, so I asked my doctor about it.

My exact words starting out were "I have been drinking a lot of whole milk lately" and then I was going to explain why, but didn't have time, because the doc asked "why would you do that?" He explained how horrible the saturated fat was etc... I rebutted his argument by generalizing information found on these websites (which I found on previous posts on xfit):

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfo...y-secrets.htmlPLEASE ENSURE YOU ANNOTATE ALL LINKS WHETHER WORK AND FAMILY SAFE.

http://www.realmilk.com/moreraw.htmlPLEASE ENSURE YOU ANNOTATE ALL LINKS WHETHER WORK AND FAMILY SAFE.

Anyway, I am buying $6 a gallon whole milk from whole foods. It is crazy expensive, and am on month number two of about a gallon every 5-6 days. After new years, I am going to try an eight week stand of SS and switch to at least 1/2 GOMAD if possible. To this, I mix protein powder, oats, and organic peanut butter. After the eight weeks, I plan to get a blood test to look and see where my levels are.

My doctor pleaded with me to use skim (I again referenced the above articles) because of my high cholesterol (I used to eat tons of fried foods), but I am going to keep on the whole for a little while longer at least.

I know some people swear by it, but it was rather worrisome with the reaction I got from the doctor.

Has anyone else talked to their doctor/nutritionist and kept at it anyway? Personally, I don't feel any effects that some people describe on here from too much dairy, and I seem to process it just fine.

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Old 12-29-2008, 02:00 PM   #2
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Re: whole milk - I asked my doctor today

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I am sure that some of the people on the board are doctors, nutritionist, etc...but I personally have not talked to any of them, so I asked my doctor about it.

My exact words starting out were "I have been drinking a lot of whole milk lately" and then I was going to explain why, but didn't have time, because the doc asked "why would you do that?" He explained how horrible the saturated fat was etc... I rebutted his argument by generalizing information found on these websites (which I found on previous posts on xfit):

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfo...y-secrets.html

http://www.realmilk.com/moreraw.html

Anyway, I am buying $6 a gallon whole milk from whole foods. It is crazy expensive, and am on month number two of about a gallon every 5-6 days. After new years, I am going to try an eight week stand of SS and switch to at least 1/2 GOMAD if possible. To this, I mix protein powder, oats, and organic peanut butter. After the eight weeks, I plan to get a blood test to look and see where my levels are.

My doctor pleaded with me to use skim (I again referenced the above articles) because of my high cholesterol (I used to eat tons of fried foods), but I am going to keep on the whole for a little while longer at least.

I know some people swear by it, but it was rather worrisome with the reaction I got from the doctor.

Has anyone else talked to their doctor/nutritionist and kept at it anyway? Personally, I don't feel any effects that some people describe on here from too much dairy, and I seem to process it just fine.
I think i would rather just eat or spend all that money on protein powder. GOMAD would suck balls imo.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:03 PM   #3
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Re: whole milk - I asked my doctor today

GOMAD is hard, much like squats. But like squats, it works.

6 dollars for a gallon of milk, dear god man.

Did you get blood tests done, or is the doctor just guessing?

I switched from 1% to whole and my blood work got better.

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Old 12-29-2008, 02:22 PM   #4
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Re: whole milk - I asked my doctor today

Your doctor is right. Whole milk has a high amount of saturated fat in it, saturated milk isn't good for you.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:47 PM   #5
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Re: whole milk - I asked my doctor today

I don't trust most doctors in the area of nutrition.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:07 PM   #6
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Re: whole milk - I asked my doctor today

I'd love to hear the results, Joseph, as I was thinking of doing something similiar. A couple of competing/interfering problems I see, however:
A) Do you have blood work numbers right now for comparison?
B) How will 5000+ calories of a hearty Starting Strength cycle affect blood chemistry? Would massive caloric excess, regardless of food source, screw with blood chemistry numbers? I'd think it would (anyone have data on this?).


My friend keep saying that instead of GOMAD I should do skim milk and avacados, and I've joked that I should go talk to a doctor and watch his head explode when I describe the gallon of whole milk a day I would be drinking. Is GOMAD heart healthy? Of course not. But . . . so what? What does "healthy" mean? How do we choose to accept, or not accept, risk? I present the following for why I will not have any heart healthy reservations if I choose to do a Gallon of Whole Milk a Day strength cycle:

1) I don't know your age or risk factors, Joseph (I think if you are 45 with a family history of heart disease this discussion changes a lot) but speaking for myself, I'm a young man in his 20's well above average in basically every measure of health and fitness. Would any respectable doctor seriously tell me that there would be acute detrimental effects from 3 months of a SS GOMAD cycle? Would the wacked out blood chemistry actually cause me an acute cardiac condition in the short term? I don't know anyone who would argue that it would (heart attack at 25? Please). But what about longer term effects? Would a doctor try to argue that there would be ANY measurable effects from this diet 5 years down the line? Ten years? If you switch back to CF with a healthy diet after this strength program would any doctor really argue that several years down the line you wouldn't have an extremely healthy cardivascular system?

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But what if there IS long term damage? What if my cardiovascular system afterwords, while very healthy, were not as healthy as it COULD be? Well, then I'll just accept that risk; after all, people accept much larger risks for far sillier reasons. I'd bet that I could take 9 out of 10 doctors and quickly find SOMETHING they do that would increase their overall mortality rate more that 3 months of GOMAD would for me. Do they not always get enough sleep? Do they ever ride a motor cycle or a horse? Have they ever smoked cigarettes or pot? Do they ever drink to excess? Are they a little bit overweight? Do they ever snow ski, jetski, or waterski? Is their occupation overly stressful? Put simply: we all accept risk, I think GOMAD for a few months is one I can live with if it means achieving lasting strength, muscle, and fitness gains.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:39 PM   #7
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Re: whole milk - I asked my doctor today

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Your doctor is right. Whole milk has a high amount of saturated fat in it, saturated milk isn't good for you.
Proof of that statement? The "saturated fat isn't good for you" part, not the other part.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:51 PM   #8
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Ugh. Most doctors dont know anything about nutrition.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:55 PM   #9
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My doctor pleaded with me to use skim (I again referenced the above articles) because of my high cholesterol (I used to eat tons of fried foods), but I am going to keep on the whole for a little while longer at least.
Your doctor is a bad doctor. They obviously have not kept up with the changing trends in the medical community and hence a bad doctor. What is most worrisome is the fact that skim milk was prescribed. Skim milk, because it lacks the fat to slow absorption rates down, is percentage wise mostly sugar. This leads to elevated blood sugar, which leads to elevated insulin, which leads to suppression of fat being released from fat cells as well as increased triglycerides and VLDL, the only really bad kind of cholesterol So skim milk is actually significantly worse than whole milk. If your doctor wanted to recommend anything, not drinking milk would have been the better choice, though for growing milk has evolved to be quiet an effective resource.


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Your doctor is right. Whole milk has a high amount of saturated fat in it, saturated milk isn't good for you.
And you can back this up with what?
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:12 PM   #10
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Re: whole milk - I asked my doctor today

joseph why not go all in and get some raw creamy whole milk and mineral rich raw butter.there is a drop point in raleigh.
you will love it.
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