Training to defend one's or training to fight in the cage

Jeff Gentry · 03-19-2006, 12:03 PM

Hell folk's

When you guy's train do you train for competition, or do you train to defend yourself outside of sporting competition or both?

Jeff

Peter Queen · 03-19-2006, 06:56 PM

IMO, I train for the exercise first. I train for self defense then for competition. Having said that, I train for competiton the same way I train for self defense because one should compete at the same level as you would for self defense otherwise why compete, because all that's going to happen is you getting your butt kicked every single time. Again, this is my opinion only.

Robert Wolf · 03-20-2006, 02:42 PM

SBG has some interesting thought on this:
http://www.straightblastgym.com/street.htm

Anthony Bainbridge · 03-20-2006, 03:46 PM

Wasn't BJJ perfected on the streets?
:biggrin:

I don't see much point in arguing the differences between street and sport. What's the saying ... ? Methods are many, principles are few. Methods always change, principles never do.

I think that applies here.

Frank DiMeo · 03-21-2006, 07:21 AM

Jeff, I've trained for both over the years.
What Anthony said about principles is very true.
Application of those principles is what varies.
One thing to keep in mind is the incredibly short time a violent street attack takes.

Jeff Martin · 03-21-2006, 01:41 PM

Its my experience that ring fighters tend to disregard the realities of the street, while reality based martial arts practioners tend to disregard the lessons of the ring.

Brad Hirakawa · 03-23-2006, 03:13 PM

well said Jeff!

Ryan Atkins · 03-25-2006, 01:52 PM

My recent reentry into the martial arts world agrees with Jeff's assessment. I've just started playing around with Krav Maga. Ask me to throw a jab, cross? - no problem; shin kick to the side of the leg? - feels like I'm getting back on a bike; ask me to efficiently pluck an attacker's hand from my throat or punch while NOT retracting the opposing hand (you know, the one that's holding the barrel of a gun AWAY from your body) - I feel COMPLETELY retarded.

Ryan

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03-19-2006, 12:03 PM	#1
Jeff Gentry Member Profile: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Columbus Oh Posts: 66	Hell folk's When you guy's train do you train for competition, or do you train to defend yourself outside of sporting competition or both? Jeff

03-19-2006, 06:56 PM	#2
Peter Queen Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dousman WI Posts: 1,567	IMO, I train for the exercise first. I train for self defense then for competition. Having said that, I train for competiton the same way I train for self defense because one should compete at the same level as you would for self defense otherwise why compete, because all that's going to happen is you getting your butt kicked every single time. Again, this is my opinion only.

03-20-2006, 02:42 PM	#3
Robert Wolf Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chico CA Posts: 2,669	SBG has some interesting thought on this: http://www.straightblastgym.com/street.htm

03-20-2006, 03:46 PM	#4
Anthony Bainbridge Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Fredericton New Brunswick Posts: 3,886	Wasn't BJJ perfected on the streets? :biggrin: I don't see much point in arguing the differences between street and sport. What's the saying ... ? Methods are many, principles are few. Methods always change, principles never do. I think that applies here.

03-21-2006, 07:21 AM	#5
Frank DiMeo Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sarasota FL Posts: 1,919	Jeff, I've trained for both over the years. What Anthony said about principles is very true. Application of those principles is what varies. One thing to keep in mind is the incredibly short time a violent street attack takes.

03-21-2006, 01:41 PM	#6
Jeff Martin Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ramona Ca. Posts: 1,318	Its my experience that ring fighters tend to disregard the realities of the street, while reality based martial arts practioners tend to disregard the lessons of the ring.

03-23-2006, 03:13 PM	#7
Brad Hirakawa Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 761	well said Jeff!

03-25-2006, 01:52 PM	#8
Ryan Atkins Member Profile: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Racine WI Posts: 925	My recent reentry into the martial arts world agrees with Jeff's assessment. I've just started playing around with Krav Maga. Ask me to throw a jab, cross? - no problem; shin kick to the side of the leg? - feels like I'm getting back on a bike; ask me to efficiently pluck an attacker's hand from my throat or punch while NOT retracting the opposing hand (you know, the one that's holding the barrel of a gun AWAY from your body) - I feel COMPLETELY retarded. Ryan