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Old 10-09-2006, 12:11 PM   #1
Douglas Chapman
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I bought a manta ray for doing squats some time ago and have never used it. (I cleaned out a closet and found it)

What is the verdict on these things?
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Old 10-09-2006, 12:29 PM   #2
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Doug-

We sell them, but I have mixed feelings. For a developing or almost totally deconditioned athlete, then I think that it is helpful and superior to a big fat pad. However, like any crutch or "training wheel" device, they need to be dumped after a period of consistent training. Otherwise, the athlete will get dependent upon the assistance and never fully develop the muscles that need to be incorporated for a proper lift.
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Old 10-09-2006, 12:52 PM   #3
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Thanks Karl.

I got it from you guys a while ago and found it again. I was going to test it some but wanted some input first.

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Old 10-09-2006, 12:52 PM   #4
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By the way, I love the sleds. They are so cool.
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Old 10-09-2006, 02:54 PM   #5
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I find it really comfortable. It's very ingenious. It simply makes the squat more comfortable. It doesn't allow you to use any more weight. I'm not sure it qualifies as a crutch. After all, how many of you bench (I know we don't bench often at CF) on a padless bench?
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Old 10-10-2006, 05:59 AM   #6
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Dave I am making the argument that it is a crutch in that in the field we often times do not get to bear weight with the benefit of a stabilizing pad across our shoulders. Just like we do not get to lie down on our backs and try to beat our opponents with a max bench press effort. I may be taking the idea of functional fitness to the extreme, but in my opinion it does have relevance.

Doug-I can only imagine what devious things you are doing to your crew with those sleds. ;-)
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:34 PM   #7
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Don't use it! you'll get used to the extra weight on your back!
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Old 10-11-2006, 05:33 AM   #8
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aww man, i seen the subject and was hoping ya'll were talking about that insane ab hold where you legs are parallel to the floor... wait, thats called the Manna Ray, right? hmm, oh well...

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Old 10-11-2006, 05:43 AM   #9
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Check out p. 9 of the October 2006 CF journal.
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Old 10-11-2006, 02:01 PM   #10
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I used a manta ray back in highschool. I remember it making squats very comfortable.

Karl, I don't really understand your point. For example all of my weightlifting equipment has the luxury/crutch of having a good grip on it, and having that grip makes it more effective equipment for what I am training. I really don't see how a little soft tissue protection jepordizes the functionality of the back squat. The added comfort might even allow you to increase intensity and allow you to progress faster. Then again, I don't value comfort as highly as the 20$ it likely costs, so I don't see a purchase in my future.
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