CrossFit Discussion Board  

Go Back   CrossFit Discussion Board > CrossFit Forum > Exercises
CrossFit Home Forum Site Rules CrossFit FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Exercises Movements, technique & proper execution

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-06-2011, 06:11 AM   #1
Kevin McCahill
Member Kevin McCahill is offline
 
Kevin McCahill's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: New City  NY
Posts: 221
OLY standards?

Are there any resources out there indicating the averages for the olympic lifts?

For example -
Average:
Squat - 1.5 x BW
Snatch - BW
Clean - BW
Jerk - 1.5 BW
DL - 2 x BW

I am kind of new to the OLY lifts and have been working on technique but do not know where I stand in terms of strength...Since crossfit respects competition and posting times and weights as comparisons, I thought I would ask.

Thanks,
Kevin
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 07:55 AM   #2
Eric Montgomery
Member Eric Montgomery is offline
 
Eric Montgomery's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: San Diego  CA
Posts: 7,413
Re: OLY standards?

I'm not sure what you mean by "averages"--average for who? Average for a CFer is going to be different than average for a triathlete or average for someone who's been competing in PL or OL meets for a few years, or who played college football. Bodyweight also matters, because as you get heavier your strength in proportion to your bodyweight is usually going to decrease.

I guess 1.5BW squat, 2BW deadlift, and BW clean would be decent by CF standards, but the clean should be pretty close to the jerk and should be about 20-25% more than the snatch. 1.5BW jerk and BW snatch would probably put you in the upper 5% of CFers.

But none of those numbers are really that good in the context of OLers and PLers even at the local level.

Oh, and not to nitpick, but the squat and deadlift aren't Oly lifts. The only two Oly lifts are the snatch and the C&J.

Last edited by Eric Montgomery : 02-06-2011 at 07:57 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 08:42 AM   #3
Joshua Gritton
Member Joshua Gritton is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Louisville  KY
Posts: 461
Re: OLY standards?

Eric, couldn't the High bar squat and front squat be considered Olympic lift supplementary? Same as the Deadlift I mean you can't really perform a Clean or a Snatch without a Deadlift and a Squat somewhere in the mix.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 09:11 AM   #4
Mark E. Wallace
Member Mark E. Wallace is offline
 
Mark E. Wallace's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cedar Park  TX
Posts: 3,869
Re: OLY standards?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshua Gritton View Post
Eric, couldn't the High bar squat and front squat be considered Olympic lift supplementary? Same as the Deadlift I mean you can't really perform a Clean or a Snatch without a Deadlift and a Squat somewhere in the mix.
Even if the answer is "yes" to that, it doesn't change that the only two Oly lifts are the snatch and C&J. The question specifically asked about Olympic movements.

- Mark
__________________
"Ima champ Still pushin Strong, Remember You only get what you train FOR>"
Snarky answers -- Free of charge.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 11:45 AM   #5
Eric Montgomery
Member Eric Montgomery is offline
 
Eric Montgomery's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: San Diego  CA
Posts: 7,413
Re: OLY standards?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshua Gritton View Post
Eric, couldn't the High bar squat and front squat be considered Olympic lift supplementary? Same as the Deadlift I mean you can't really perform a Clean or a Snatch without a Deadlift and a Squat somewhere in the mix.
Sure, they're supplemental lifts, but they're not Oly lifts. The front squat and overhead squat are components of Oly lifts, but the HBBS isn't. They're all supplemental work in the same way that tall cleans, clean pulls, snatch balances, etc. are.

And depending on who you believe in terms of Oly lifts, the first pull of a clean/snatch is not just a fast deadlift. Greg Everett, Coach Burgener, and others recommend a clean/snatch starting position with the bar over the balls of the feet and the hips lower than with a deadlift, while Rip is the exception in that he teaches the power clean setup as identical to a deadlift...i.e. bar over midfoot and hips relatively high.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 12:40 PM   #6
Kevin McCahill
Member Kevin McCahill is offline
 
Kevin McCahill's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: New City  NY
Posts: 221
Re: OLY standards?

True, my mistake in pooling those moves as Olympic lifts - I was more or less interested in where I stand in relation to CF'rs standards. I did find the comprehensive workout pdf's helpful. They group athletes into Levels and assign BW % to each lift.

I am 5'7 155 lbs and have been crossfitting for 6 months. I consider myself strong for my size but was looking for numbers to compare myself. If a 1.5 BW clean is an average CF'r than I have a long way to go in my strength training. Just lookin' for some benchmarks I guess...

Thanks,
Kev
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 12:57 PM   #7
Tamara Cohen
Member Tamara Cohen is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Asheville  NC
Posts: 4,392
Re: OLY standards?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin McCahill View Post
True, my mistake in pooling those moves as Olympic lifts - I was more or less interested in where I stand in relation to CF'rs standards. I did find the comprehensive workout pdf's helpful. They group athletes into Levels and assign BW % to each lift.

I am 5'7 155 lbs and have been crossfitting for 6 months. I consider myself strong for my size but was looking for numbers to compare myself. If a 1.5 BW clean is an average CF'r than I have a long way to go in my strength training. Just lookin' for some benchmarks I guess...

Thanks,
Kev
A 1.5 BW clean is going to be above average for CFers. Take a look at the stats from the Games competitors last year to get an idea of what the top level CFers are doing. That will give you their height and weight also.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 02:02 PM   #8
Glenn Pendlay
Member Glenn Pendlay is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: wichita falls  texas
Posts: 684
Re: OLY standards?

I have attached the most fair system I know, the Russian classification system ranging from class 3 all the way to International Master of sport. Keep in mind that the numbers are in kilos, and represent the total, or addition of the max snatch to the max clean and jerk. These numbers are for men, unfortunately I do not have a similar table for females.

Most of the athletes I coach are somewhere in between Master of Sport and Master of Sport International class, but they are specialists.

Based on having coached crossfitters in the past, I would just guess that achieving class 3 isnt that bad, and class 1 would be pretty good. For example, class 1 for a 185lb guy would be about a 286lb clean and jerk, and a 242lb snatch. I think those would be pretty decent numbers for someone of that size also doing crossfit.
Attached Files
File Type: email russian classification system second try.xls (18.0 KB, 439 views)

Last edited by Glenn Pendlay : 02-06-2011 at 02:08 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 02:35 PM   #9
Tamara Cohen
Member Tamara Cohen is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Asheville  NC
Posts: 4,392
Re: OLY standards?

Looking at the numbers for the 2010 Games competitors, of the 45 men, only 13 of them weighed less than 180 lbs. All but 8 snatched bodyweight or more. 22 of them had a C&J of 270 or more.

For the women, only a handful snatched over bodyweight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2011, 03:20 PM   #10
Jay Rhodes
Member Jay Rhodes is offline
 
Jay Rhodes's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Stoney Creek  ON Canada
Posts: 3,304
Re: OLY standards?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamara Cohen View Post
A 1.5 BW clean is going to be above average for CFers. Take a look at the stats from the Games competitors last year to get an idea of what the top level CFers are doing. That will give you their height and weight also.
This.

Not only will it give you some number to shoot for, but its from CF'ers who have proven themselves to be fairly well rounded at everything.
There will be guys out there with bigger numbers, but came nowhere close to making the Games.
__________________
27/5'10"/170 | training log | youtube | Athlete Page
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Competition Standards Matthew Swartz Exercises 13 01-05-2011 03:04 AM
Performance Standards Callum Owen Fitness 10 12-16-2009 06:45 PM
HSPU standards Wes Hendricks Exercises 7 08-10-2008 06:38 PM
CF Thruster Standards..again Ian Carver Exercises 6 10-16-2006 09:46 AM
Crossfit standards Mike Kirkpatrick Workout of the Day 10 07-15-2006 08:23 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
CrossFit is a registered trademark of CrossFit Inc.