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Old 12-09-2010, 12:56 AM   #1
Ian Nigh
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help me choose barbells!

The Rogue Bar (lifetime warranty, proven in combat, but 28.5mm) or The Again Faster Team Bar (1 year warranty, very good quality steel, 70 bucks less per bar)

Should I even worry about a .5mm difference? When buying 10 bars, the price difference adds up. Anybody have experience with both bars? They would be the general purpose bars for our box, so everything from Fran to max rep power and O' lifts.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:09 PM   #2
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Re: help me choose barbells!

Rogue Bar.

They stand behind the product. I'm sure AFT also does but Rogue has been churning it out for a while now.
This is the sweet spot of price for performance. If you wanted more Oly specific performance you have to jump to 2.5x that price.

Go for it. You won't regret it.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:25 PM   #3
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Rogue Bar.

They stand behind the product. I'm sure AFT also does but Rogue has been churning it out for a while now.
This is the sweet spot of price for performance. If you wanted more Oly specific performance you have to jump to 2.5x that price.

Go for it. You won't regret it.
I agree. I dropped $250 on the Rogue Bar, which was more than I had planned to spend.

Totally worth it. It is indestructable and will last forever (plus they warranty it). And it is just a great bar, feels great in your hands, and spins really well for oly lifts...
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:51 PM   #4
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I agree. I dropped $250 on the Rogue Bar, which was more than I had planned to spend.

Totally worth it. It is indestructable and will last forever (plus they warranty it). And it is just a great bar, feels great in your hands, and spins really well for oly lifts...
Now I'm really interested. I've been eyeing it for a while.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:57 PM   #5
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Re: help me choose barbells!

ordered a mens and womens as samples from Rogue today (too bad they dont warranty to womens bars, why?. Will probably end up stocking the gym with these and getting other gear from Again Faster (really want to support both companies).

For the Oly lifting club we are going with Uesaka, made right here in Japan!
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:55 PM   #6
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Re: help me choose barbells!

Ian, both Rogue and AF are great companies for an affiliate to work with. So is Wright. CFWSC has a couple dozen Wright HD bars and several Rogue bars, as well as others. Good bars all. Point five mills won't make any difference for CrossFit and even most lifters. As a busy affiliate, we have found that warranties (that are upheld) end up being the make or break point for us. Our equipment gets abused and we have discovered the hard way that paying a little more for lifetime warranties is far cheaper in the long run.

Good luck.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:36 AM   #7
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Re: help me choose barbells!

Ian:

For your comparison:

Rogue Bar

1) 28.5MM Outside Diameter - I would put calipers on the bar you any bar you put against this just to make sure

2) New Sleeve Guts Design - We have .3" stop mechanism with snap ring to offset any sleeve issues. This also reduces the end play in the sleeve dramatically. With this design it should feel like a bearing bar.

This design is out there now, we have been sending them out to get feedback. Ed Guzman has one

3) Knurl - The knurling has accurate start/stop points which is a sign of good craftsmanship. You can look at a lower quality bar and see the knurl lines feather in and out.

The knurling goes right up to the sleeve, this is where your hands are when Snatching. Some bars will stop short 3" from the sleeve

4) Dual Knurl - We have had the Dual Knurl on our bar since 2008

5) Black Zinc - If you have ever watched a bar get plated it gets dipped in a series of tanks, every bar gets Bright Zinc coated as this is in the series. If you pay more they dip it in the Black Zinc tank and that is what we use. The Bright Zinc is silver for reference and many like that color for its proximity to chrome but I prefer the Black.

6) Sleeves - Each sleeve utilizes bronze bushings throughout and not cast iron, you would have to take it apart to check this. For those of you that are mechanically savvy I strongly recommend you do this. You will see where some manufacturers are hiding their less expensive parts.

The Machining on the outside of the sleeve is uniform and does not look like an old record, this makes a difference to Olympic Lifters. There is not any type of dramatic taper from sleeve to collar

7) Sleeve Finish - We use the Bright Zinc finish for the sleeves as it shows wear less but we can use Black or Olive Drab Zinc

8) Collar Thickness - We have reduced this dramatically to allow for more plate space on the bar

9) Steel - The Steel ranges from 155-165K PSI Tensile for reference. You can go to Niagara La Salle's website to better understand steel characteristics. This mill makes most of the bar steel in the United States

Each piece of steel is turned and ground. One way to cut corners here is to just plate the steel as it was made, this will save a nice amount but the finish on the bar is marginal.

10) Guarantee - We guarantee this bar for life and if/when you send us a picture of your bar with some type of issue we will send you a new bar. This is without fail.

I hope that gives you some of the things to look at when choosing a bar. I would be happy to put a video together destructing some bars to better explain if you would like.


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Old 12-10-2010, 09:47 AM   #8
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Re: help me choose barbells!

Now, I have used the Rogue bars and I think they're a fine product with an extensive selection. I also think they are a wise choice for Crossfit gyms. But I had to laugh when I read comments like this:

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Ummm, compared to my Eleiko, no.
I've owned my Eleiko since 1999, long before Rogue was even a gleam in someone's eye. Rogue has been in business how long? The design of the Eleiko really hasn't changed in that time because, face it, Eleiko figured out how to make a top-notch barbell quite some time ago.

"... more than 900 world records have been set with the famous Eleiko barbell... Eleiko has been appointed as a SOLE SUPPLIER FOR THE 2012 OLYMPIC GAMES IN LONDON"
That's the Olympic Games. You may have heard of those games.

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For the Oly lifting club we are going with Uesaka, made right here in Japan!
That makes sense to go local, but I personally don't like Uesaka bars. They are super expensive here in the States and the knurling is like barracuda teeth. The fit of the plates is ultra-tight too. That's been my experience.
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:48 AM   #9
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Re: help me choose barbells!

Lincoln:

For Elite level Olympic Lifting we have teamed up with Eleiko to bring out the first Black Eleiko Training Bar. We will have them in January, should be pretty sweet!

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Old 12-10-2010, 11:54 AM   #10
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Re: help me choose barbells!

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Now, I have used the Rogue bars and I think they're a fine product with an extensive selection. I also think they are a wise choice for Crossfit gyms. But I had to laugh when I read comments like this:


Ummm, compared to my Eleiko, no.
I've owned my Eleiko since 1999, long before Rogue was even a gleam in someone's eye. Rogue has been in business how long? The design of the Eleiko really hasn't changed in that time because, face it, Eleiko figured out how to make a top-notch barbell quite some time ago.

"... more than 900 world records have been set with the famous Eleiko barbell... Eleiko has been appointed as a SOLE SUPPLIER FOR THE 2012 OLYMPIC GAMES IN LONDON"
That's the Olympic Games. You may have heard of those games.
I edited my response, so below I have a preface to my original reply. I posted the original reply without knowing that Bill had responded.

Preface:****************************************
Oops! I should have assumed that Bill would respond.
Beat me to it by 6 min. while I had my reply window open.
Don't mean to speak for Rogue. Just have had a great experience with them and their equipment gets heavy use in my little gym.

@Bill - Oh and by the way, the bar is awesome. That design change is definitely an evolution in Rogue Bar. I'll email you with my feedback.

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Wowzers! A huge comparison misunderstanding, Lincoln.

Admittedly, I should have specified what I meant by "it." I meant to say that Rogue has been churning out quality bars for Crossfit for a while, and that with the further caveat of price for performance. So the "while" refers to Crossfit years - as long as people have needed a really good, really affordable Oly bar in this here community of ours.
And if you reread my post, I explained what it would take, monetarily, to get beyond the Olympic lifting performance of the Rogue Bar. I'd reckon 90% wont' ever have use for a really hi-end bar. Rogue isn't trying to compete in that category, they are outfitting Crossfitters first, then specialists. And unless Eleiko uses some inaccessible Nordic magic, I'm sure Rogue could match their bars. But as it is Rogue has a reseller deal with them. Probably not worth competing for that market . . . not yet.

So pay $~250 for Rogue with excellent Oly performance or ~$850 for Eleiko for exceptional super-specialist performance. Lincoln, I know what you pick. I'll go with Rogue until I make the Olympic team.

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