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Old 05-04-2006, 06:05 AM   #1
Anthony Bainbridge
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I prefer GNP, but it would be nice to feel more comfortable standing against a striker with good take down defense. I'll be happy with learning enough standup to stay out of trouble and work my way inside for a clean take down.

Based on this approach, do you suggest kickboxing or boxing? Pros/cons to each? Unfortunately, there are no muay thai clubs around here.
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Old 05-04-2006, 09:18 AM   #2
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I would find the best instructor you can, and go with them regardless of style. You'll get better. All things equal (never seems to work that way though) I would go with the kickboxing. That will get you familiar with the kicks, more to defend against than throw.
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Old 05-04-2006, 10:46 AM   #3
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I was thinking the same thing, but wasn't sure if there would be pros/cons based on the difference in stance, focus, etc.

Anyway, the best kickboxing club in town is just down the street from me and they also have submission grappling on Saturdays (used to train there, but not for kickboxing). Works out well. :biggrin:

Now I just gotta wait until I recover ........
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Old 05-04-2006, 11:36 AM   #4
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I love the thai clinch game but if it is not a thai based school I'd be inclined to go with a very good boxing coach over a karate/TKD based kickboxing school. Just my opinion.
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Old 05-04-2006, 11:47 AM   #5
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I agree, if it is a Muay Thai gym then go with that. if it is an American style kickboxing gym, look for a boxing gym.

With your Judo background you will love the Thai clinch.

(Message edited by Matthew Nielsen on May 04, 2006)
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Old 05-04-2006, 12:09 PM   #6
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Boxing would be good. Simple, powerful and to the point.

The greatest hands in the world is Boxing hands.
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Old 05-04-2006, 12:10 PM   #7
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I've done a little muay thai and you're right, I love the clinch! Mostly because I feel like I'm in control with hands on ... which is sorta why I want to work on my striking - so that I feel comfortable before I get close enough to clinch or takedown.

Robert and Matthew, even if this school is a strong kickboxing club, you're saying go with boxing instead? The main instructor is a former boxing heavy weight champ (provincial? canadian?) who has some big name fights under his belt (including a loss to Lennox Lewis). The school is also closely linked to Jean-Yves Theriault, although he no longer lives in this province.

Can you give me some reasons for your opinions?
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Old 05-05-2006, 10:21 AM   #8
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Matthew, whos the geezer in your avatar?
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Old 05-05-2006, 12:12 PM   #9
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Anthony-
Just my experience (or bias) but KB schools have tended to NOT have good hand skills, they lack the whole clinch game and do not incorperate knees and elbows into the mix. It seems to lack much and offer little.

In contrast finding a decent amateur boxer and working hard with them will make you a good boxer fairly quickly. If you ever run acros a thai coach at some point that game will integrate fairly seamlessly into your boxing/MMA game.

All that said it sounds like the guy at the KB school IS a good boxer. Id work straight boxing skill with him if I could and look around the highschools and JC's for someone who does grecco and work the grecco clinch. This is such an under utilized rescource for many people.

Again just my $0.02
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Old 05-05-2006, 03:41 PM   #10
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Good boxing will apply more to MMA than mediocre kickboxing (most non Muay Thai oriented gyms).


Throwing too many kicks tends to give your opponent too many opportunities to take you down.
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