Metobolic diet - Page 6

Jesse Woody · 09-19-2006, 02:53 AM

I don't think that it's restricted, but that would severely limit your vegetable intake, making your only carbohydrate source during the day a huge jolt of sugar.

One thing I've been wondering about the strict AD/MD with 30g/day as a long-term approach is the acidic nature of the diet. I know that the paleolithic approach, though high in meats, has enough fruit and vegetable matter to keep the entire diet alkaline. What would the possible effect of long-term dietary acidosis be? Would the reduction in overall insulin levels and the ability to cycle to a more alkaline intake on the weekends make a difference, or would it be smarter in the long run to raise the carbohydrate intake to a level that allows you to partake in unlimited quantities of low-GI fruits and veggies, especially if you hold the twin-goals of performance AND longevity?

Mike ODonnell · 09-19-2006, 04:03 AM

I know acidosis is not something to aim for. I don't eat a ton of veggies by nature...so I sub in a green drink to help offset the extra protein.

Kevin McKay · 09-19-2006, 05:32 AM

I was thinking of maybe eating 15 grams of carbs from blueberries 1hr pre and 1hr post workout with some fat and protein. Does that make any sense? Or would the same thing work with cabbage broccoli or cauliflower? I am at day 8 and feeling great, since the carb amounts are so low I have been eating cabbage broccoli cauliflower and salads greens for my carbs totally adhering to the strict plan. Which is allot easier than a totally strict zone imo because of the hunger reduction. I kind am thinking the same thing as you Jesse questioning if under 30 is excessive and not healthy long term, but I feel really good so not sure, and really realize how poorly my body responded to even zone level carbs. My main goal is defiantly long term health over anything else. Any thoughts?

(Message edited by kmckay on September 19, 2006)

Israel Halperin · 09-19-2006, 06:58 AM

robb, i live in israel too, and would love to train with ido sometime, can you help me get in touch with him via e-mail or his phone number ?

Robert Wolf · 09-19-2006, 11:56 AM

I've always tended towards the moderate carb intake of 50-60g/day and you can pack in plenty of veggies that way. The acidosis issue is likely a valid concern for th elong term.
Israel- Sent you a PM with the contact info.

Kevin McKay · 09-19-2006, 02:12 PM

Hey Robb,

What does a typical day look like for you food wise?

(Message edited by kmckay on September 19, 2006)

Robert Wolf · 09-20-2006, 01:53 PM

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Jesse Woody · 09-20-2006, 02:37 PM

So it was YOU who stole my lunch yesterday!

Kevin McKay · 09-20-2006, 02:38 PM

Kevin McKay · 09-21-2006, 06:23 PM

So 11 days and still at <30 a day and feeling great! I guess on 3 days I came in around 40 because I did not know there where so many carbs in pistachios :-) I have been chowing down the fat.
Overall I am really impressed with my energy level, dramatic reduction in hunger. I should note the energy level is not only up but is extremely stable. Carbs are like Rocket fuel and fat is a nice stable slow burn. Looking forward to my first carb load this weekend! Must admit I am a little afraid of the carb load as well, or stopping the carb load rather :P Hope this info is useful to others came into to this not knowing what to expect.

(Message edited by kmckay on September 21, 2006)

09-20-2006, 02:38 PM	#59
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09-19-2006, 02:53 AM	#51
Jesse Woody Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orange Virginia Posts: 915	I don't think that it's restricted, but that would severely limit your vegetable intake, making your only carbohydrate source during the day a huge jolt of sugar. One thing I've been wondering about the strict AD/MD with 30g/day as a long-term approach is the acidic nature of the diet. I know that the paleolithic approach, though high in meats, has enough fruit and vegetable matter to keep the entire diet alkaline. What would the possible effect of long-term dietary acidosis be? Would the reduction in overall insulin levels and the ability to cycle to a more alkaline intake on the weekends make a difference, or would it be smarter in the long run to raise the carbohydrate intake to a level that allows you to partake in unlimited quantities of low-GI fruits and veggies, especially if you hold the twin-goals of performance AND longevity?

09-19-2006, 04:03 AM	#52
Mike ODonnell Member Profile: Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,566	I know acidosis is not something to aim for. I don't eat a ton of veggies by nature...so I sub in a green drink to help offset the extra protein.

09-19-2006, 05:32 AM	#53
Kevin McKay Member Profile: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: albany ca Posts: 1,110	I was thinking of maybe eating 15 grams of carbs from blueberries 1hr pre and 1hr post workout with some fat and protein. Does that make any sense? Or would the same thing work with cabbage broccoli or cauliflower? I am at day 8 and feeling great, since the carb amounts are so low I have been eating cabbage broccoli cauliflower and salads greens for my carbs totally adhering to the strict plan. Which is allot easier than a totally strict zone imo because of the hunger reduction. I kind am thinking the same thing as you Jesse questioning if under 30 is excessive and not healthy long term, but I feel really good so not sure, and really realize how poorly my body responded to even zone level carbs. My main goal is defiantly long term health over anything else. Any thoughts? (Message edited by kmckay on September 19, 2006)

09-19-2006, 06:58 AM	#54
Israel Halperin Member Profile: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: tel aviv tel aviv Posts: 65	robb, i live in israel too, and would love to train with ido sometime, can you help me get in touch with him via e-mail or his phone number ?

09-19-2006, 11:56 AM	#55
Robert Wolf Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chico CA Posts: 2,669	I've always tended towards the moderate carb intake of 50-60g/day and you can pack in plenty of veggies that way. The acidosis issue is likely a valid concern for th elong term. Israel- Sent you a PM with the contact info.

09-19-2006, 02:12 PM	#56
Kevin McKay Member Profile: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: albany ca Posts: 1,110	Hey Robb, What does a typical day look like for you food wise? (Message edited by kmckay on September 19, 2006)

09-20-2006, 01:53 PM	#57
Robert Wolf Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chico CA Posts: 2,669	http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/23/30320.jpg

09-20-2006, 02:37 PM	#58
Jesse Woody Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orange Virginia Posts: 915	So it was YOU who stole my lunch yesterday!

09-21-2006, 06:23 PM	#60
Kevin McKay Member Profile: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: albany ca Posts: 1,110	So 11 days and still at <30 a day and feeling great! I guess on 3 days I came in around 40 because I did not know there where so many carbs in pistachios :-) I have been chowing down the fat. Overall I am really impressed with my energy level, dramatic reduction in hunger. I should note the energy level is not only up but is extremely stable. Carbs are like Rocket fuel and fat is a nice stable slow burn. Looking forward to my first carb load this weekend! Must admit I am a little afraid of the carb load as well, or stopping the carb load rather :P Hope this info is useful to others came into to this not knowing what to expect. (Message edited by kmckay on September 21, 2006)