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Old 09-14-2006, 10:16 AM   #31
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Rob,
Interesting point about glycogen concerns for cops during a struggle. Workouts can be planned and nutrition timed around them, getting into a fight for survival comes infrequently and suddenly, sometimes at the end of a shift when you are tired and probably starving. All the more reason to educate cops about gettting some fuel (other than coffee and the d-word) into their bodies every couple of hours. Of course if Glycogen fails you there is my favorite supplement that starts with 'G'...Glock
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Old 09-14-2006, 11:03 AM   #32
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Jesse, you are correct as the idea does come from a few places including the T-Dawg 2.0 (I think Paleo for Athletes goes this route too). (Of course T-Dawg 2.0 is promoting their own "Surge" drink.) But even if the PWO meal was 30-60min after workout and mostly complex carbs from food, isn't the muscle cell's sensitivity increased to maximumly replenish muscle glycogen after a day of carb restriction and exercise?

Personally I just feel better all day long without all the carbs..hence I do not do zone but more paleo w/ pwo carbs. But I do not have an active job so hard to say how this eating would affect those who need glycogen in life or death situations.
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:43 PM   #33
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paleo fitness

kill large mamal = workout
eat it = PWO meal

haha :-)
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Old 09-15-2006, 02:31 PM   #34
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Mike, I'm starting to feel the same way. Zone seems to have been a great transition to other things, as I've tried a couple of cyclic low-carb days over the past few weeks, and I realize how much the carb-load of the Zone seems to make me that slight bit groggy.

A quick question for Rob, what is the main difference between the Metabolic and the Anabolic diet? Would a 3-day low car, 1 day carb-load be more specific to harder workouts?

I'm beginning to lean more towards the absolute strength, power, and speed realm a bit, and I think this might be the diet that can fuel these efforts nicely...
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Old 09-15-2006, 06:23 PM   #35
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Day five I have never had this little hunger in my life killing the carbs has killed the hunger it seems. Occasionally feel a little spacey and my temper is up need to watch it must be the saratonin drop. Did a quick 100 squats 100 pushup 100 lat pulls yesterday, muscles got tired fast hopefully that will pass.
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Old 09-15-2006, 10:34 PM   #36
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Jesse, you can get a free abridged copy of the anabolic diet here.

http://www.metabolicdiet.com/promo/as_abr.htm

I bought the metabolic diet ebook, which looks pretty similar here are most of the hard numbers

MD guidelines: 5-6 meals/day, 20-50g of protein and 10-50g of fat at every meal

Carbohydrate Intake % Fat % Protein % Carbs
Weekday Maximum 30 Grams 40 - 60% 40 - 50% 4 - 10%
Weekend No Real Limit 20 - 40% 15 - 30% 35 - 60%
(36-48 Hour Carb Load) 130-150 grams carb weekends


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Old 09-16-2006, 03:28 AM   #37
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Yeah, I have the Anabolic Diet E-book, which seems to be targeted specifically at bodybuilders, so I was wondering if the metabolic diet had any tweaks for other athletes.
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Old 09-16-2006, 06:45 AM   #38
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Interesting stuff, is there any precedent for micro cycle carb diet where you eat 1 carb rich meal a day? Mike, what is the T-dawg thing?

In the metabolic diet Pasquale talks about saving the carbs for post workout.

Jesse,
I think I remember a post from rob saying he does a moderate md 3 on 1 off but can't find it. I am curios to se how he answers your question.

I think sears gives allot of latitude in carb consumption, I think it was mastering the zone that he talks about "tuning the metabolic carburetor" and dropping a block from meals as needed.

I am almost sure based on how I feel now that I was eating way to many carbs in the straight zone. I am not sure I will stick with the md 30 a day if it kills my wod times but I will continue for the 2 week assessment and maybe try the md as prescribed for a month.

I will defiantly be doing something close or a much lower carb zone if I have issues with the cycling. Thanks Rob for bringing this topic up.

I get the feeling this or some permutation will be the "zone 2.0" as well.

I am seriously also considering dropping all fruit and trying to do all veg or at least 90%. You guys got any thoughts on this.

After looking at all the data low carb seems way ore natural and way less fad.

Exiting stuff but better stop rambling.
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Old 09-16-2006, 06:49 AM   #39
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Jesse-
AD is all you need. That with the flow chart linked above.

Kevin-
You may want to time high volume work AFTER a carb-up. If you are really adhering to the lower carb levels you simply do not have adequate glycogen to hammer through a classic CF WOD. High tension, moderate rest period strenght training is perfect for your flatter days. Thins ME-Black box.
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Old 09-16-2006, 07:19 AM   #40
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Rob,

I feel pretty darn good doing the 30 a day, I guess I am as good a fat oxidizer as i am a bad carb utilizer. My question is this. I have this to good and easy to be true feeling. is 30 a day over the top and excessively to little carbs for general health or do you think if I am responding to it well it is fine?

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