CrossFit Discussion Board  

Go Back   CrossFit Discussion Board > CrossFit Forum > Competitions
CrossFit Home Forum Site Rules CrossFit FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Competitions Competitions, contests & challenges

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-22-2010, 03:32 PM   #1
Leigh Gant
Affiliate Leigh Gant is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: South Yarra  Australia
Posts: 43
2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

How do you think the 2010 CF Games will effect the next year of training, and how will the sectionals and regionals next year reflect that?

There were glaring holes in some of the atheltes games, from snatch technique to rope climbs. Even mikko didn't do so well with double unders.

Looking at a lot of the different regional comps, there were tire flips and sled drag/pulls and things like that this year. A lot of 1-3 rep max strength events. Now will we see pistols and ring handstand push ups at the 2011 minor comps?

The beauty of trying to prepare for the unknown and unknowable is that if you aren't efficient at every movement (e.g. froning - rope climb) then you will suffer.

Its going to be an exciting year! Everyone has to get stronger, faster and more skilled!
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 04:10 PM   #2
Katherine Derbyshire
Member Katherine Derbyshire is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Seattle  WA
Posts: 7,596
Re: 2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

That's an especially interesting question since the 2010 sectionals/regionals were themselves a response to the perceived strength bias of the 2009 Games....

I think the final answer is that there is no perfect test of GPP if you limit yourself to one weekend. But if you put the sectionals, regionals, and Games together, they should be able to cover all the bases. WCABTMD and all that. Seen that way, the Games and the qualifiers *shouldn't* measure the same things, or at least athletes should be prepared for them to be different.

And since the events aren't known in advance, the programmers at each level have the benefit of hindsight. The Games organizers very well could have said: given the regional events, we know all these guys are strong, so let's see how they do on the other components of fitness. Next year, if the qualifiers are loaded with bodyweight events, we might see the opposite.

Katherine
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 04:18 PM   #3
Jesse Gray
Affiliate Jesse Gray is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Davis  CA
Posts: 545
Re: 2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

So I guess you could say that while last year's games had a strength bias, this year we had a skill bias? I think overall the games were very well programmed. My only problem with so much skill based programming is that we begin to run the risk of rewarding technique over work capacity. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, just that potentially, a person who is stronger, has better met-con and so on could lose to a person with less of those but better technique. Which is the fittest? I guess that's the real question!
__________________
My Box!
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 07:44 PM   #4
Joseph Hardy
Affiliate Joseph Hardy is offline
 
Joseph Hardy's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Streetsboro  OH
Posts: 63
Re: 2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

Just like the past two years, 2011 Regionals will reflect the 2010 games; 2011 sectionals will reflect the 2009 games and the 2010 regionals; 2011 preliminaries (more qualifiers to meet the high competitor demand?) will reflect the 2008 games, 2009 regionals, and 2010 sectionals.

Speaking of more qualifiers, do you think they will continue to expand as they did the past two years to meet the demand for so many competitors at the games. There were 200 athletes at my sectional and it was a burden considering it was only one day to get that athletes through 4 WODs. What will they do next? I understand not all sectionals were that big this year and many still have room to grow.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 08:02 PM   #5
Peter Evans
Affiliate Peter Evans is offline
 
Peter Evans's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Christchurch  New Zealand
Posts: 86
Re: 2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse Gray View Post
So I guess you could say that while last year's games had a strength bias, this year we had a skill bias? I think overall the games were very well programmed. My only problem with so much skill based programming is that we begin to run the risk of rewarding technique over work capacity. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, just that potentially, a person who is stronger, has better met-con and so on could lose to a person with less of those but better technique. Which is the fittest? I guess that's the real question!
Jesse, Skill IS fitness - see "10 components of Fitness"
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 08:05 PM   #6
John Swanson
Affiliate John Swanson is offline
 
John Swanson's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: St. Cloud  MN
Posts: 344
Re: 2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

I know this is a touch off topic but... I would love to see it moved back to the original place. I loved where Crossfit is going but I like the more of the rugged old school look to it. Does anyone else feel like this?
__________________
CrossFit Fast Factory | www.crossfitfastfactory.com
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 08:58 PM   #7
Steven Ngo
Member Steven Ngo is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Pasadena  CA
Posts: 848
Re: 2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Swanson View Post
I know this is a touch off topic but... I would love to see it moved back to the original place. I loved where Crossfit is going but I like the more of the rugged old school look to it. Does anyone else feel like this?
what about a compromise? find a venue where you can bring dirt in; like indoor motocross, but with muscleups
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2010, 08:22 PM   #8
Jesse Gray
Affiliate Jesse Gray is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Davis  CA
Posts: 545
Re: 2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Evans View Post
Jesse, Skill IS fitness - see "10 components of Fitness"
Indeed! However, when you favor one component of fitness over another you begin to reward the specialist. Last year the strength specialist, this year the skill specialist! ... who also happens to be ridiculously fit.
__________________
My Box!
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2010, 09:50 PM   #9
Justin McCallon
Member Justin McCallon is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Atlanta  GA
Posts: 551
Re: 2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

Double post, please delete/ignore.
__________________
My Workout Log

Last edited by Justin McCallon : 07-23-2010 at 09:53 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2010, 09:52 PM   #10
Justin McCallon
Member Justin McCallon is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Atlanta  GA
Posts: 551
Re: 2010 Games effect on 2011 sectionals/regionals

Is it universally agreed that last year was a "strength-dominant" year?

I don't agree with that. I think it was well balanced.

Deadlift event events out with the 7k run.
Snatch 1rm evens out with the rowing event and the wall ball event (neither of which had anything heavy).
The hill sandbag run was a legitimate speed / anaerobic power/capacity test.
The other 2 events were metcons with varying weights, up to a 155lb clean, and including lots of bodyweight work.

That's not balanced? (at least on the strength --- endurance spectrum ... I always would prefer more tasks)
__________________
My Workout Log
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Quest for 2011 Games Mike Rawlinson Workout Logs 167 10-26-2011 02:22 PM
Programming for the 2011 Games Kevin Simons Fitness 67 07-29-2010 06:05 AM
Concerned what effect the 2010 programming will have on future competitors :( Kevin Bensette Competitions 116 07-27-2010 02:04 PM
2011 CF Games Michael Hurwitz Competitions 1 07-12-2010 12:16 PM
Regionals/Sectionals Videos Frank Tardi Community 2 03-27-2010 08:06 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
CrossFit is a registered trademark of CrossFit Inc.