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Old 08-09-2012, 01:46 PM   #21
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Re: Proposed supplement plan

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Old 08-09-2012, 01:48 PM   #22
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Re: Proposed supplement plan

While we're on the subject of supplements that don't work I think some of you will find this interesting.

The evidence underpinning sports performance products: a systematic assessment. (wfs)

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Old 08-09-2012, 03:03 PM   #23
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Re: Proposed supplement plan

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While we're on the subject of supplements that don't work I think some of you will find this interesting.

The evidence underpinning sports performance products: a systematic assessment. (wfs)
Is this the study behind the recent Horizon doc on BBC2?
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:56 PM   #24
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Re: Proposed supplement plan

i will add that while some supps do claim to be magic and are indeed a waste of money, not all are that way.

protein, fish oil, vitamins and minerals, fiber, creatine, etc can all be obtained from food. and you can get all you need from eating food. but sometimes people don't eat enough of the right foods. sometimes they can't, or won't. and sometimes the supps are cheaper.

protein powder is about the cheapest way to get protein if you buy the right brand. plus it comes in different flavors, is more convenient, doesn't have to be cooked or refridgerated, etc.

fish oil is the same. lots of benefits, but for people that don't like fish or can't afford quality seafood, then taking fish oil caps is alot easier.

you can get creatine from meat, but meat is expensive.

i love eating fruits and veggies, but sometimes i don't get all i need. so a multi-vitamin, or some super green mix, with a little fiber, is a great addition to the diet.

so while it is true that there isn't a need for supplements, there also isn't a reason to avoid them, at least not all of them. and many of them are great ways to save money, not to throw it away.
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Old 08-10-2012, 06:14 AM   #25
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Is this the study behind the recent Horizon doc on BBC2?
Yes. The BMJ also published a report on sports drinks which was discussed in the program - link, and you can watch a short film where the research team discuss the problems they had researching the article here.

The documentary is still available on the BBC iPlayer here and on youtube if anyone missed it. Worth watching just for Prof Tim Noakes, author of Lore of Running, reaction when asked about low calorie sports drinks (~19m25s).

*All links wfs*
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Old 08-12-2012, 08:58 PM   #26
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Creatine monohydrate: around 30% of users experience no improvement in performance when taking creatine, so if you've tried it and didn't feel that it made any difference you're probably wasting your money.
where did you get this information?! did you know creatine monohydrate is the ONLY (legal) supplement that is scientifically proven to enhance performance?
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:33 PM   #27
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Re: Proposed supplement plan

here are the studies i was referencing:


creatine supplement and exercise performance: a brief review.
stephen p bird, from journal of sports science and med (2003)2, 123-132


putting to rest the myth of creatine supplementation leading to muscle cramps and dehydratin.
Dalbo, Roberts, Stout, Kerksick, from journal sports med 2008:42, 567-573
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:46 PM   #28
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where did you get this information?! did you know creatine monohydrate is the ONLY (legal) supplement that is scientifically proven to enhance performance?
He is correct that not everyone responds to supplemental creatine. I'm not sure of the exact percentage and I believe his figure of 30% is high, but as with all effective supplements and drugs not everyone receives the "normal" benefits.
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:16 PM   #29
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First off losing fat and gaining muscle is not a goal. That's 2 separate goals. Pick one . You can't serve 2 masters.

Learn how to eat first, then add supplements. Otherwise, you're literally ****ing your money away.
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:23 PM   #30
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First off losing fat and gaining muscle is not a goal. That's 2 separate goals. Pick one . You can't serve 2 masters.

Learn how to eat first, then add supplements. Otherwise, you're literally ****ing your money away.
By eating right and doing Crossfit regularly, aren't you achieving both at the same time?
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