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Old 04-28-2008, 02:48 PM   #21
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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What times would you suggest? I originally offered:
Specialist (Swimmer): <1:05 (<1:15m)
Generalist (CFer): 1:05 - 2:00 (1:15 - 2:15m)
Non-athlete (Average Joe): >2:00 (>2:15m)
I guess 'Average Joe' would be anyone not CFing, with or without basic swim instruction. It could 2:00+... These are just my guesses so I'd like more perspective. What are some of your client's times?
This is somewhat discouraging. I thought I could swim but compared to your times I don't know. I timed myself this morning. We have a 25 yard lap pool. I managed to do 49 for a 50 yards and 1:50 for a 100 yards and I am 36. Then again I never swam competitively at hight shool or college level. I am still astounded by some of the times reported.
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:20 PM   #22
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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swimming is so specialized - msot elite swimmers swim at least 10 times a week - and put in multiple 10,000 yard workouts - if you are not swimming daily you lose it very fast (the cardio and muscle build up )

I swam Div 1 in college - i was not a sprinter by any means (i did the mile) but my best 100 was 55.2 - i CF and run mainly now with some swimming and ocean lifegaurd training - if i were to jump in the pool right now i could probably go 1:03 or so but that is do to years and years of conditioning and technique work - just knowing how to breath and turn correctly will take so much time off your time - so I would say anyone who is not a competitive swimmer who breaks 1:10 is pretty much kicking ***
You would be suprised actually. Normally I would agree with you that when you are not in the water for any amount of time you lose it very fast but CF-ing is incredible. I just finished my senior season of D-1 College water polo in november, played masters a bit through Feb then stopped until just a few days ago. After 2 months of a 4 week SS block and then CF from there and not touching the water i got back in and was about where i left off 2 months earlier. CF seems to be able to hit the stabalizers and small muscles that swiming works and little else does. You should jump in the pool and see what your at, it probably wont be a best time, but you may suprise yourself :-P

and to the OP yes highschool kids can set national records, i watched a high school kid set the national record in 100 yd breast at 53.66 back in 1998. My point was only that 43.30 or whatever is not a world record time, maybe close to a national record, but definantly not a world record. sorry not trying to criticize just clarify

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Old 04-29-2008, 12:36 AM   #23
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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and to the OP yes highschool kids can set national records, i watched a high school kid set the national record in 100 yd breast at 53.66 back in 1998. My point was only that 43.30 or whatever is not a world record time, maybe close to a national record, but definantly not a world record. sorry not trying to criticize just clarify

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No problem at all. My mistake about the difference.
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Old 04-29-2008, 12:42 AM   #24
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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This is somewhat discouraging. I thought I could swim but compared to your times I don't know. I timed myself this morning. We have a 25 yard lap pool. I managed to do 49 for a 50 yards and 1:50 for a 100 yards and I am 36. Then again I never swam competitively at hight shool or college level. I am still astounded by some of the times reported.
Hey Robert, don't be discouraged at all! I think that's a great time for a non-swimmer. I bet you could drop loads of time with some technique training.
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Old 04-29-2008, 01:55 AM   #25
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

My 100yd time isn't much to talk about, but I'm exceedingly good at drowning. Seriously, I can't even get across 15yds of 5ft deep water without having to be rescued. It's pathetic, really.
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:57 AM   #26
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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You would be suprised actually. Normally I would agree with you that when you are not in the water for any amount of time you lose it very fast but CF-ing is incredible. I just finished my senior season of D-1 College water polo in november, played masters a bit through Feb then stopped until just a few days ago. After 2 months of a 4 week SS block and then CF from there and not touching the water i got back in and was about where i left off 2 months earlier. CF seems to be able to hit the stabalizers and small muscles that swiming works and little else does. You should jump in the pool and see what your at, it probably wont be a best time, but you may suprise yourself :-P
-Robert
Totally agree with that, We did almost the same. Got into crossfit last july, master season started again in october. Not swimmed so much because of lack of will & some sore shoulder (too much crossfit+hard job+ swimming...)
Completely stopped after christmas holiday.
Last sunday went to a meeting after only a couple of water workouts, and almost matched my pr in 50meters breast. Obviously breast is my "natural" style, never needed much technique development. Crawl instead, which I always had to work on it to be decent, lost more in percentual, but yet I wasn't so disastrous.
Conclusion (to this long reply)? CrossFit works, really, and swimming needs technique.
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:37 AM   #27
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

I was a competitive swimmer through college, and I was surprised when I jumped in a pool a few months ago how close I was to my old times. Years of accumulated muscle memory apparently are retained even though I haven't swam for 10 years now. And crossfit does seem to have a huge crossover with swimming ability. Recently I did two 500 yd swims in less than 6:30 each, with a minute or so rest in between. That is less than a minute off what I could hold in practice (I wasn't a distance swimmer or a free styler, but I put up a 5:15 or so in a few 500s swum at meets).

God I wish I had crossfit in college! It would have been an ideal offseason and supplemental routine. The demands of my old event--the 200 yd butterfly-- dovetail almost perfectly with the conditioning of crossfit.
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:43 PM   #28
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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This is somewhat discouraging. I thought I could swim but compared to your times I don't know. I timed myself this morning. We have a 25 yard lap pool. I managed to do 49 for a 50 yards and 1:50 for a 100 yards and I am 36. Then again I never swam competitively at hight shool or college level. I am still astounded by some of the times reported.
Robert, got to agree with you here. I train with some folks who swam competitively in HS. I'm about 1/2 to 3/4 a body length behind when we do 50 yards sprint intervals, anything over 100 I catch up. I'm doing ~44 second 50's, and working pretty hard. I think 1:30 is the fastest I can muster in a 100. Granted, I have only been training in the pool for 6 months, but I've read Total Immersion, and cut my 1.5K down by over 12 minutes since starting. I grew up in a pool, but no formal swim training, so I consider myself decent in the pool compared to average joe.

I doubt a crossfitter w/out swim training or at least reading TI breaks 2:00 in a 100. 50 yards you can churn water and keep up, but over that, you're just chopping and not going anywhere. I think the discrepancy then gets exponentially larger the longer you go.

There are some numbers for Pre-SOF training in the March CFJ that had Slow/Medium/Fast times for BUDS/Seal training. Might help
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:29 PM   #29
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

Rough rule of thumb:
Swim times are roughly equal to running 4x the distance. So you should be able to swim 100 yard in about the same amount of time you can run 400 yards.
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Old 05-18-2008, 09:49 AM   #30
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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I have incorporated swimming into CF for over a year at Brenau Univ in Gainesville and work with the Brenau U's Swim team on CF and swimming 3 days a week during their season. They have had good results and they like it too. The Univ built pull up bars right on the deck and purhased Dynamax balls and other equipt for our workouts. Our latest workout : 10 Rounds of:10 push ups, 10 V Ups, 15 Wall Ball (girls #12) 100 Free on the odd (1,3,5,7,9) 100 Individual Medely (Fly, Back, Breast, Free) on the even (2,4,6, 8, 10) Just climbing out of the pool up and over the bulkhead is a great workout between sets!
Completely off-topic for a second: Jack, I used to swim for Jim Young at GST (now Lanier Aquatics, I think) many, many moons ago, and spent countless hours in the pool at Brenau.

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This is somewhat discouraging. I thought I could swim but compared to your times I don't know. I timed myself this morning. We have a 25 yard lap pool. I managed to do 49 for a 50 yards and 1:50 for a 100 yards and I am 36. Then again I never swam competitively at hight shool or college level. I am still astounded by some of the times reported.
Robert, I hope you won't be discouraged. Swimming is very technique-oriented, and with some coaching, I bet you would see some significant drops in those times.

A couple of things I've observed in several years of coaching masters swimming and helping triathletes with their swimming:
1. Relaxation - a lot of adults who are self-taught, while not "afraid" of the water, are not completely comfortable in the water either. They tend to be a little rigid, which affects body position and buoyancy.
2. Breathing - rhythmic breathing is key. Inhale when your face is out of the water and exhale underneath. I spend a lot of time working on this with my triathletes, and once they get it down, it helps their overall technique.
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