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Old 04-25-2008, 05:14 PM   #1
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100yd Swim Time Guidelines

After some vociferous debate about 400m running times, I was curious to get input about swimming.

I swam competitively almost my whole life and have no perspective of how difficult swimming might be for the non-swimmer. Here's my take:

Specialist (Swimmer): <1:05 (<1:15m)
Generalist (CFer): 1:05 - 2:00 (1:15 - 2:15m)
Non-athlete (Average Joe): >2:00 (>2:15m)

For Mens Swimmers
Elite: <50
Advanced: 50-55
Intermediate: 55-1:05
Beginner: >1:05

What do you think?

(Here's a swim time converter for yards/meters. 'Short' means 50yd/m which you'll use, unless you have one of the sickest gym pool facilities in the nation).

I consider myself to have been advanced, but definitely not elite (I enjoyed it but never took it too seriously). I was a sprinter and my best times in HS and college were a low 53 100yd and a mid 23(?) 50yd. I'd have to look up my other times, but I remember I also swam a mid 56 100yd butterfly.

Swimming is a highly skill based sport and lack of training makes someone extremely inefficient in the water making them quickly exhausted. Even now at 27 it would take me about 400m at warmup pace to feel warmed up which I feel is solely because technique.
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Old 04-26-2008, 02:58 AM   #2
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

Wow, great link the one to the yard/meters time conversion.
Actually I'll score at about 1'.07" in the 100 yards short course, with a 1'.15" for 100m.
I've been swimming as a master for the last 3 years, starting from scratch, so I don't think I am an expert.
Then become addicted to crossfit last summer and completely stopped swimming , but that's another story
So I fall into generalist category, but despite my stop, I still have my tecnique, well I mean I can still do turns, the starts, I can feel when when stroke is going bad. This is everything but generalism.
My opinion is the time you wrote are a bit too low, especially for somebody who does crossfit and swim about once a week or maybe less frequent, and doesn't have the luxury of a coach who tells you what's wrong and what's right.
Let me know what you think, I'm happy to talk about swimming, I'm planning to come back to the water and surely here on the boards it's not the most discussed sport.
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Old 04-26-2008, 08:58 AM   #3
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

I think the time estimates are pretty good.

For swimmers, breaking one minute in the 100 free is one of the big milestones you shoot for. If I remember correctly, most did this around the 9th grade with a few freaks doing it earlier (some years earlier). I don't remember how old I was when I broke a minute in the 100 free, but by 10th grade I was swimming in the 54-55 sec range. Never got any better than that, so I was not competitive in the event past the state level.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:53 AM   #4
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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Wow, great link the one to the yard/meters time conversion.
Actually I'll score at about 1'.07" in the 100 yards short course, with a 1'.15" for 100m.
I've been swimming as a master for the last 3 years, starting from scratch, so I don't think I am an expert.
Then become addicted to crossfit last summer and completely stopped swimming , but that's another story
So I fall into generalist category, but despite my stop, I still have my tecnique, well I mean I can still do turns, the starts, I can feel when when stroke is going bad. This is everything but generalism.
My opinion is the time you wrote are a bit too low, especially for somebody who does crossfit and swim about once a week or maybe less frequent, and doesn't have the luxury of a coach who tells you what's wrong and what's right.
Let me know what you think, I'm happy to talk about swimming, I'm planning to come back to the water and surely here on the boards it's not the most discussed sport.
1'07" is good, especially considering a late start.

I don't think CF and swimming are mutually exclusive at all. Swimming is killer cardio, only matched by rowing in terms of full body usage. It would be wicked as the cardio leg in WOs. In fact, were there a facility that allowed you to combine the two, well, I can only imagine the results! There are ways around the problems of steel and water but the equipment is more expensive.

I'm going to start throwing swimming into my post-WOD skills/exercises/fun-sports hopper.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:00 AM   #5
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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I think the time estimates are pretty good.

For swimmers, breaking one minute in the 100 free is one of the big milestones you shoot for. If I remember correctly, most did this around the 9th grade with a few freaks doing it earlier (some years earlier). I don't remember how old I was when I broke a minute in the 100 free, but by 10th grade I was swimming in the 54-55 sec range. Never got any better than that, so I was not competitive in the event past the state level.
I never quite broke 53" and I was still far from even qualifying for state when I was in HS. (>_<) The guys winning state were swimming <48". The current world record in 100m, converted to 100yd time is 43.10.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:57 PM   #6
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

I believe the times are accurate for "young masters" or those under 30. Wait till you try and do the times when you hit the age of 50 (I turn 50 in a few months). I swam at a small college with best 100 yd times of low 50's Free and 1:50 200 free. I swim 3-4 times a week with time for only about 2500 yards per workout and include CF during those workouts. I can repeat 100's on the 1:30 swimming about a 1:12 pace for 10 +or so unitl I blow up - improvement at 50 + years of age in swimming comes slow and gradual. I can not come anywhere close to the times I swam when I was in my late teens and 20's (I swear the pace clocks move faster now than they did in the 70's)

I have incorportated swimming into CF for over a year at Brenau Univ in Gainesville and work with the Brenau U's Swim team on CF and swimming 3 days a week during their season. They have had good results and they like it too. The Univ built pull up bars right on the deck and purhased Dynamax balls and other equipt for our workouts. Our latest workout : 10 Rounds of:10 push ups, 10 V Ups, 15 Wall Ball (girls #12) 100 Free on the odd (1,3,5,7,9) 100 Individual Medely (Fly, Back, Breast, Free) on the even (2,4,6, 8, 10) Just climbing out of the pool up and over the bulkhead is a great workout between sets!

Bring a set of dumb bells, a mat to lie down on for sit ups, a dynamax ball or what ever you got to your local pool, YMCA, etc...CF and swimming will provide variety to your swim workouts. Mix it up, change strokes, swim under water, jump out of the pool and do some CF - repeat...It beats chasing that painted line on the bottom for hour after hour.
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:47 PM   #7
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

I don't know Daniel. From my experience with looking at bikers and runners trying to swim in triathlons, I would say your times are a little hard, actually.

I would say once you start dropping under 1:05/100yds, you are talking about actual muscular and cardiovascular skill. Before that, it is 90% technique. And the vast majority of Average Joes have not had the kind of long-term professional coaching (at least two or three years of swim club and regular swimming) it takes to be really comfortable in the water.

I am far, FAR from being an elite Crossfitter. I swam throughout middle school and only did two years of high school varsity swimming. That was almost seven years ago, and the last time I really swam seriously. But if Nicole or Greg or Eva or Annie's limits of exposure to serious swimming was one YMCA stroke course, I would bet you $10,000 I could kick their butts in the pool. I don't say that because I think I'm awesome, I say that because I believe swimming is so heavily dependent on technique. That's from my experience trying to teach a few athletes superior to me in every way how to swim, anyway.

So yeah. What kind of swim training are we talking about, here, when you say an "Average Joe"?
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:23 PM   #8
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

I have to second that (or 3rd, or however many have said it) about technique being paramount for swimming. I competed through elementary school, and then I took semester-long lifeguarding and WSI courses in college and got my groove back, as well as spending a lot of time in the water in the interim.

Anyway, to my point, when it came to the Navy PFT, to 'max' the PFT (300 points) took 100 situps in 2 min, 67 pushups in 2 minutes, and EITHER a 1.5 mile run in 9:15, OR a 500 yd swim in 7:00 (I think). The P/U's and S/U's were always easy to max, but I had to be in very good shape (for me) to max the run, and feel like puking afterwards. I could jump into the pool and max the swim at a much lower level of fitness, and still feel like I could keep going. After the first time I did the PFT swimming, a few of my friends decided to try it with me next time. I recommended against it, but they went for it anyway. Even though they were in the same/better shape than me, they were floundering halfway through, and even though they passed they almost had double my time.
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

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I believe the times are accurate for "young masters" or those under 30. Wait till you try and do the times when you hit the age of 50 (I turn 50 in a few months). I swam at a small college with best 100 yd times of low 50's Free and 1:50 200 free. I swim 3-4 times a week with time for only about 2500 yards per workout and include CF during those workouts. I can repeat 100's on the 1:30 swimming about a 1:12 pace for 10 +or so unitl I blow up - improvement at 50 + years of age in swimming comes slow and gradual. I can not come anywhere close to the times I swam when I was in my late teens and 20's (I swear the pace clocks move faster now than they did in the 70's)

I have incorportated swimming into CF for over a year at Brenau Univ in Gainesville and work with the Brenau U's Swim team on CF and swimming 3 days a week during their season. They have had good results and they like it too. The Univ built pull up bars right on the deck and purhased Dynamax balls and other equipt for our workouts. Our latest workout : 10 Rounds of:10 push ups, 10 V Ups, 15 Wall Ball (girls #12) 100 Free on the odd (1,3,5,7,9) 100 Individual Medely (Fly, Back, Breast, Free) on the even (2,4,6, 8, 10) Just climbing out of the pool up and over the bulkhead is a great workout between sets!

Bring a set of dumb bells, a mat to lie down on for sit ups, a dynamax ball or what ever you got to your local pool, YMCA, etc...CF and swimming will provide variety to your swim workouts. Mix it up, change strokes, swim under water, jump out of the pool and do some CF - repeat...It beats chasing that painted line on the bottom for hour after hour.
Yeah, I assumed an average age of about 35 since I assume the majority of the current CF crowd is about there. Times of course would change with age.

That's awesome to hear your're incorporating CF with a collegiate team! Most swim teams neglect weight training and variety to their detriment. A hard swim workout will leave me tired, but mixing it up with pushups, squats, pullups, etc. will leave me spent. We often included dips/press-outs out of the deep end in workouts since they're so easy to add.

As for entertaining variety, I always enjoyed no-breathers, windwill (free and back combined), and alligator swims (front person only pulls, back person holds onto front person's feet and only kicks).:stir:
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Old 04-27-2008, 06:31 PM   #10
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Re: 100yd Swim Time Guidelines

I swam in high school also, and was right about the same on times. I swam 50 free, 100 free, 100 fly. Mid 23 sec, 52 mids, 56. It's that last 25 on the fly that gets you. Thanks for your post. It's a good reference. I also did 200 free relay, 400 free relay, and 200 medley relay. It was alot of fun.
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