Diet soda makes you fat

Lincoln Brigham · 07-23-2007, 06:17 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19918336/

"Prior studies have linked consumption of sugar-laden sodas with multiple risk factors for heart disease, but Vasan and colleagues also found the link extends to diet sodas."

[face=times new roman,times,roman]Ha!
[/face]

This is what I've been saying for years. (And often ridiculed for it.) I don't care if diet sodas have no calories - they condition you to expect sweet things in your diet.

“On average, soda drinkers tend to eat more calories, consume more saturated fat and trans fat, eat less fiber, exercise less and be more sedentary.”

Fake foods are bad for you.

Patrick Donnelly · 07-23-2007, 06:24 PM

Diet soda tastes like •••• anyway. :puke0000:

Matt DeMinico · 07-23-2007, 09:17 PM

I'd be willing to bet it's not because of them eating more, it's because of some unknown effect the stupid artificial sweeteners have on our bodies.

Gerhard Lavin · 07-24-2007, 03:44 AM

I drink the occasional soda, more often than not it's a diet version. I eat clean 80% for the time, maybe more. I'm lean.

I have some overweight friends. The suck down diet coke with their cheese burgers. Maybe it the aspartame but personally I think it's the burgers.

I think the effect is psychological. By drinking a diet drinking people think they are making a positive impact to their diet. They ignore the small print "only works as part of a calorie controlled diet."

Sean Harrison · 07-24-2007, 05:41 AM

It's all psychological. There are people that think it's called Diet Coke because it somehow helps you diet.
There's nothing inherently wrong with diet sodas.
If you think the chemicals in them are harmful...it's only because they would be if taken in extremely high dosages. Such as pounds and pounds of the artificial sweetener all by itself for days on end.

EDITED TO ADD:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-07-23-diet-soda-study_N.htm?csp=34

The title of this article is "Study: Diet Sodas Linked to Heart Risk"

Then read the 4th sentence. Ugh.

(Message edited by nardpuncher on July 24, 2007)

Dwight Deckard · 07-24-2007, 06:02 AM

It may have zero calories but it still has a large chemical makeup not found in nature. The caramel color is even suspect in insulin resistance. I loved this part (for the source as much as the naivete):

Susan Neely, president of the American Beverage Association, said the notion that diet drinks are associated with bulging waistlines defies common sense.

"How can something with zero calories that's 99% water with a little flavoring in it ... cause weight gain?" she said.

George Mounce · 07-24-2007, 08:21 AM

I disagree Sean that there is nothing wrong with diet sodas, or soda in general.

List of chemicals and what they do (w/f safe):

Sodium Benzoate: http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article2586652.ece
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=532-32-1 #hazards

Potassium Benzoate:
http://www.ukfoodguide.net/e212.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_benzoate

Thats just two, the most common preservatives found in sodas, diet or regular. 9 years straight now of no soda, and I do not miss it at all.

The inherent problem with soda is it doesn't provide the body with any nutrients other then sugar, and in the case of diet soda, nothing.

Robert Olajos · 07-24-2007, 08:48 AM

Of course, this isn't a finding of causation, simply correlation.

Perhaps if causation is found, the word "Diet" should be banned on pop (that's Canadianese for 'soda'). Much the way we banned the word "Light" from cigarettes. Light implies the cigarettes are healthier (or not as bad), which isn't the case. Too many people think that diet pop is healthy.

Lincoln Brigham · 07-24-2007, 10:38 AM

I think the causation is the psychological effect, at the very least.

I also think that the body becomes accustomed to certain types and tastes of food after a few years. Mexicans like hot food, English like bland food, mid-westerners like meat & potatoes, etc. The Scots develop a taste for haggis, for crying out loud! These palates are not genetic, they are are developed. Those who drink sodas - diet or regular - develop a palate that is accustomed to sweet food. And so that becomes the type of food they seek - sweet, bland foods empty of nutrition.

That's my theory anyway.

David Wood · 07-24-2007, 03:38 PM

Sean, Lincoln: all those links up there are work and family safe (or not), RIGHT??

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07-23-2007, 06:17 PM	#1
Lincoln Brigham Member Profile: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 3,987	http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19918336/ "Prior studies have linked consumption of sugar-laden sodas with multiple risk factors for heart disease, but Vasan and colleagues also found the link extends to diet sodas." [face=times new roman,times,roman]Ha! [/face] This is what I've been saying for years. (And often ridiculed for it.) I don't care if diet sodas have no calories - they condition you to expect sweet things in your diet. “On average, soda drinkers tend to eat more calories, consume more saturated fat and trans fat, eat less fiber, exercise less and be more sedentary.” Fake foods are bad for you.

07-23-2007, 06:24 PM	#2
Patrick Donnelly Banned Profile: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: College Park MD Posts: 1,162	Diet soda tastes like •••• anyway. :puke0000:

07-23-2007, 09:17 PM	#3
Matt DeMinico Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sterling Heights MI Posts: 1,939	I'd be willing to bet it's not because of them eating more, it's because of some unknown effect the stupid artificial sweeteners have on our bodies.

07-24-2007, 03:44 AM	#4
Gerhard Lavin Member Profile: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Berlin Germany Posts: 973	I drink the occasional soda, more often than not it's a diet version. I eat clean 80% for the time, maybe more. I'm lean. I have some overweight friends. The suck down diet coke with their cheese burgers. Maybe it the aspartame but personally I think it's the burgers. I think the effect is psychological. By drinking a diet drinking people think they are making a positive impact to their diet. They ignore the small print "only works as part of a calorie controlled diet."

07-24-2007, 05:41 AM	#5
Sean Harrison Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Taipei Taiwan Posts: 400	It's all psychological. There are people that think it's called Diet Coke because it somehow helps you diet. There's nothing inherently wrong with diet sodas. If you think the chemicals in them are harmful...it's only because they would be if taken in extremely high dosages. Such as pounds and pounds of the artificial sweetener all by itself for days on end. EDITED TO ADD: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-07-23-diet-soda-study_N.htm?csp=34 The title of this article is "Study: Diet Sodas Linked to Heart Risk" Then read the 4th sentence. Ugh. (Message edited by nardpuncher on July 24, 2007)

07-24-2007, 06:02 AM	#6
Dwight Deckard Member Profile: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bloomington Indiana Posts: 29	It may have zero calories but it still has a large chemical makeup not found in nature. The caramel color is even suspect in insulin resistance. I loved this part (for the source as much as the naivete): Susan Neely, president of the American Beverage Association, said the notion that diet drinks are associated with bulging waistlines defies common sense. "How can something with zero calories that's 99% water with a little flavoring in it ... cause weight gain?" she said.

07-24-2007, 08:21 AM	#7
George Mounce Banned for Ethical and Integrity Violations Profile: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Steens MS Posts: 3,295	I disagree Sean that there is nothing wrong with diet sodas, or soda in general. List of chemicals and what they do (w/f safe): Sodium Benzoate: http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article2586652.ece http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=532-32-1 #hazards Potassium Benzoate: http://www.ukfoodguide.net/e212.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_benzoate Thats just two, the most common preservatives found in sodas, diet or regular. 9 years straight now of no soda, and I do not miss it at all. The inherent problem with soda is it doesn't provide the body with any nutrients other then sugar, and in the case of diet soda, nothing.

07-24-2007, 08:48 AM	#8
Robert Olajos Member Profile: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Bay Ontario Posts: 308	Of course, this isn't a finding of causation, simply correlation. Perhaps if causation is found, the word "Diet" should be banned on pop (that's Canadianese for 'soda'). Much the way we banned the word "Light" from cigarettes. Light implies the cigarettes are healthier (or not as bad), which isn't the case. Too many people think that diet pop is healthy.

07-24-2007, 10:38 AM	#9
Lincoln Brigham Member Profile: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 3,987	I think the causation is the psychological effect, at the very least. I also think that the body becomes accustomed to certain types and tastes of food after a few years. Mexicans like hot food, English like bland food, mid-westerners like meat & potatoes, etc. The Scots develop a taste for haggis, for crying out loud! These palates are not genetic, they are are developed. Those who drink sodas - diet or regular - develop a palate that is accustomed to sweet food. And so that becomes the type of food they seek - sweet, bland foods empty of nutrition. That's my theory anyway.

07-24-2007, 03:38 PM	#10
David Wood Departed Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,303	Sean, Lincoln: all those links up there are work and family safe (or not), RIGHT??