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Old 05-22-2009, 02:41 PM   #131
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Re: Does that CrossFit make women big?

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It might interest you to know that those reusable bags are shown to promote bacteria growth and may give you food poisoning...
I have to exercise my immune system too.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:15 PM   #132
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Old 05-23-2009, 10:59 PM   #133
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No one dude. Crossfitters are gods amongst athletes. Surely, no one on the planet can match us.
Wow. Compelling argument. Except for the part where I never said CFers were gods amongst athletes. The point I was making is that no other program addresses the breadth of physical skills and attributes that CF does. That doesn't mean CFers can smoke anybody at anything. Quite the contrary. Most CFers will not be able to beat a specialist at their specialty. However, back to the hopper. Who performs the best, on average, at a wide variety of movements? My money is on a good CFer.
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:06 PM   #134
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After reading this post on a thread relating to not being able sleep because of the next days' WODS' in the exercise section, I now understand you passionate feelings re Crossfit Chris
Lol. Yes, I am extremely passionate about CF. The video of the Jeremy Thiel interview awhile back where he talked about feeling like he was made to CF is exactly how I feel. It's everything I've always been looking for as it regards to fitness. That doesn't mean I think we are the be all and end all and everyone who doesn't do CF sucks. I wouldn't want everyone to be doing CF. If everyone did it, it wouldn't be CF. I just think that CF is the single best program, by far, for developing increased work capacity across broad time and modal domains. That work capacity increase is what I consider important in a fitness program. Not everyone does. Some people think being able to do 3 sets of 10 curls means you are "fit". Good on 'em. They can curl til they pass out. I am content in my belief that if you put a good CFer up against any other athlete and pull out a wide variety of tasks, the CFer will win the overall everytime.
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:03 AM   #135
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Wow. Compelling argument. Except for the part where I never said CFers were gods amongst athletes. The point I was making is that no other program addresses the breadth of physical skills and attributes that CF does. That doesn't mean CFers can smoke anybody at anything. Quite the contrary. Most CFers will not be able to beat a specialist at their specialty. However, back to the hopper. Who performs the best, on average, at a wide variety of movements? My money is on a good CFer.

Chris,

Ross Enamait may be producing athletes as good as any Crossfitter.

Many mixed martial artists, rugby players, and other athletes who need a great base of GPP are as likely to be as good as a Crossfitter.

Training for GPP has been around forever. When you get down to it, Crossfit is only a method (as opposed to a programme) designed to increase GPP. Its' primary difference is its' randomized structure.

The other major difference I see in Crossfit is the large community it has built up via the net. The internet community gives people a lot of buy in, and combined with the strong philosophy of developing elite fitness (an admirable goal) can lead to people becoming overly defensive about the system and close minded as to its' place in the world.

Crossfit is great, here I am taking the time to post on the boards, so of course I think it is, it's just not the be all and end all.
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Old 05-24-2009, 11:41 AM   #136
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Chris,

Ross Enamait may be producing athletes as good as any Crossfitter.

Many mixed martial artists, rugby players, and other athletes who need a great base of GPP are as likely to be as good as a Crossfitter.

Training for GPP has been around forever. When you get down to it, Crossfit is only a method (as opposed to a programme) designed to increase GPP. Its' primary difference is its' randomized structure.

The other major difference I see in Crossfit is the large community it has built up via the net. The internet community gives people a lot of buy in, and combined with the strong philosophy of developing elite fitness (an admirable goal) can lead to people becoming overly defensive about the system and close minded as to its' place in the world.

Crossfit is great, here I am taking the time to post on the boards, so of course I think it is, it's just not the be all and end all.
If you read my second post you would have noticed that I agree it is not the be all and end all. GPP has been around forever, but I still feel that CF is the best program for developing GPP. At top levels, MMA fighters, rugby players, and the like may stack up well with a good CFer. However, I've worked out with amateur MMA guys and rugby players and they all had big holes in their GPP. They all said they wished they had found CF a long time ago for that specific reason. We could probably go on and on with examples supporting our own arguments but it's pretty clear that we somewhat disagree with each other. Maybe we can just agree to disagree and not subject everyone else to a circular argument.
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:25 PM   #137
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Re: Does that CrossFit make women big?

Interesting thread, although I did start skimming around the intellectual/physical/theoretical/Kiwi vs Yank stuff, but a few points:
- fit women are hot women
- like many have said, size is dictated by food intake ,not enough of what you need or too much of what you don't need will affect body composition.
- I think some of the "bulkier" looking women of CF were into body building before CF
-athletes who climb, run, bike and generally "live in alternate universes" see no benefit in adding weight to their frame. Strength yes, weight no.
- women have been mind manipulated into certain body images, the most important thing the OP can do is to help re frame that into terms of health, that is to focus women on well being, of which strength, confidence,stamina and CV ability are a part .
-this thread does need more pictures!
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Old 05-24-2009, 04:20 PM   #138
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Chris,

Ross Enamait may be producing athletes as good as any Crossfitter.

Many mixed martial artists, rugby players, and other athletes who need a great base of GPP are as likely to be as good as a Crossfitter.

Training for GPP has been around forever. When you get down to it, Crossfit is only a method (as opposed to a programme) designed to increase GPP. Its' primary difference is its' randomized structure.

The other major difference I see in Crossfit is the large community it has built up via the net. The internet community gives people a lot of buy in, and combined with the strong philosophy of developing elite fitness (an admirable goal) can lead to people becoming overly defensive about the system and close minded as to its' place in the world.

Crossfit is great, here I am taking the time to post on the boards, so of course I think it is, it's just not the be all and end all.
Ross was a CF affiliate until he "discovered" his system... which is basically CF.

And "likely" isn't any real proof.
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Old 05-24-2009, 04:26 PM   #139
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Re: Does that CrossFit make women big?

Back to the OP: Check out today's picture from the mainsite WOD.

Joy Nguyen won the Western Canada CrossFit Games Women's Qualifier.

http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/004705.html
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Vid/interview with her here:
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:51 PM   #140
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Tell her that the bulky physique is not nearly as much of a problem as the deepening voice.
Or the developing chest hair.

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Good post. I've always seen Crossfit as an "open-ended" program. To me, the description of Crossfit in "What is Crossfit", has always made the what is and what is not "Crossfit" to vague for checklists. Maybe, I'm wrong...

I will say this board has changed dramatically over the years along with Crossfit itself. Things do change... sometimes you like it, sometimes you don't.

Take care, everyone.
I felt that way about NYC; city has changed too much and I realized I was just hanging on to memories. Your right...things do change. It's inescapable. Much better to know when to let go and move on than to cling to something that no longer exists.

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We disagree in an uninteresting manner, and that's OK.
The problems with your above statement, disregarding hurt feelings from the women of this board for a moment, are these: Are heavy 1-3-5 sets of compound lifts making women more muscular? From what I've read, the answer is mostly NO. Low rep sets are primarily about strength, not hypertrophy, and stay that way for along time. I understand that at some point after neurological efficiency is established and the muscles can't strengthen any more, and there's enough food intake, even heavy low rep sets cause muscle growth, but that's way down the road for the OPs clients, most likely. It would seem then that the most likely "culprit" for muscularity would be the high rep metcons! Fran, for me, is often broken down 12-9,10-5,9 Which would be four hypertrophy thruster sets, in BB world, The OP could be eliminating the wrong thing!
Personally, I found this to be an interesting point re: the scaling bringing the rep range into that which promotes hypertrophy, especially given that women will more often need to scale (not meant to be sexist...I'm female myself), and may very well elect to do so by modifying reps.

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Let's look at what the Coach states CF is or is not.
The CrossFit program is designed for universal scalability making it the perfect application for any committed individual regardless of experience. We’ve used our same routines for elderly individuals with heart disease and cage fighters one month out from televised bouts. We scale load and intensity; we don’t change programs.
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Dude, you just said that you're not doing Crossfit if you are doing Crossfit to look good. Crossfit isn't defined by the intent of the programme, it's defined by the methodology.
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CF's program intent is what led to its methodology; not the reverse. When the methodology's tweaked, it's because of a shifting opinion on how to best chase the same intent - maximising broadly-based fitness.
While I understand methodology is not synonymous with programming, it seems to me in CrossFit's case they are in fact synonymous; the methodology is the program/the program is the methodology. I'm having a hard time conceptualizing how they are separable.

And in thinking about this further, if load and intensity are program variables which upon manipulation change the ultimate outcome (i.e., program intent), than can one actually change load and intensity without in effect changing the program (unless the program itself specifically relies on the program variables being manipulated i.e., nonlinear periodization)?

I dunno, maybe I'm missing something. I try to follow Coach's advice to read more post less as I think it's generally good advice (what's the saying...better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt ), but I'm just having a hard time trying to clearly delineate between methodology/programming in this case. It's somewhat nebulous.

Anyway, my 2 cents. Back to reading more.
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