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Old 04-28-2011, 05:13 PM   #1
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jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

I was having a discussion the other day with a buddy of mine who has had reoccurring shoulder strains.

He seems to think its the kipping pull up. I told him it's probably a deficiency in his shoulder mobility. Regardless, we talked about both and ruled that a jumping pull up creates the same amount of aerobic response as a kipping pull up would IE: the metabolic condition aspect of most WODs that use kips.

This is open for discussion...Pros, Cons, disagreement, etc.
We're all ears. Thanks
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:27 PM   #2
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Re: jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

I'm for using jmping pull-ups in training. However, because it's easier, I think you need to be more strict on the application. This is what I tend to encourage.

-Set the bar higher, perhaps an inch or two below the wrist when your arm's extended
-Jump chest to bar as explosively as you can (if you can't, this is a clue to lower the bar a little).
-Come down as fast as you can. NO NEGATIVES.
-Have full range of motion on the bottom, preferable with a smooth dip leading back to the jump.

Seeing that jumping pull-ups are part of the filthy fifty, I'm sure others with much, much better times can offer better insight.

Of course, as pull-ups improve, one should move on to them.
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:28 PM   #3
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Re: jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

And, what is wrong with strict pullups?

If you keep messing up your shoulder kipping, then...
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:36 PM   #4
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Re: jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

The way I do jumping pullups it is more jump than pull and is more akin to box jumps than pullups. I fail kipping pullups because I can't pull up any more. I stop jumping pullups because I run out of breath.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:52 PM   #5
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Re: jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

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And, what is wrong with strict pullups?

If you keep messing up your shoulder kipping, then...

Because kipping pullups serve a largely different purpose than strict pullups.
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Old 04-29-2011, 02:35 AM   #6
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Re: jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

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Because kipping pullups serve a largely different purpose than strict pullups.
Enlighten me.

The purpose of a pullup is to get your chin over or chest to the bar.

The purpose of a kipping pullup is to do this faster.

What's the largely different purpose that I'm missing?
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Old 04-29-2011, 04:16 AM   #7
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Re: jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

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Enlighten me.

The purpose of a pullup is to get your chin over or chest to the bar.

The purpose of a kipping pullup is to do this faster.

What's the largely different purpose that I'm missing?
he is talking about the met-con of a kipping. the movement puffs you out. where as a dead hang your muscle fail first. so he wants to simulate that met-con with a jumping pullup as a substitute for kipping.


in my opinion do both.
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Old 04-29-2011, 05:56 AM   #8
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Re: jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

I've rarely gotten much of a met-con effect from any sort of kipping pull-ups, regardless of the workout or application.

I'm more inclined to agree with Tamara's explanation. The purpose of the kipping pull-up is to provide a more efficient method of pulling yourself up to the bar, allowing you to do more reps in less time. While jumping pull-ups do improve your pull-ups to some degree, they're intended to provide a different stimulus than kipping pull-ups, i.e. something similar to box jumps as was stated earlier
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Old 04-29-2011, 09:26 AM   #9
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Re: jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

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I've rarely gotten much of a met-con effect from any sort of kipping pull-ups, regardless of the workout or application.

I'm more inclined to agree with Tamara's explanation. The purpose of the kipping pull-up is to provide a more efficient method of pulling yourself up to the bar, allowing you to do more reps in less time. While jumping pull-ups do improve your pull-ups to some degree, they're intended to provide a different stimulus than kipping pull-ups, i.e. something similar to box jumps as was stated earlier
Everytime this comes up the following needs to be said:

In Gymnastics - (If you are a Crossfitter/Powerlifter/Weightlifter maybe you don't care) The kip is a necessary fundamental step to prepare the shoulder girdle for even more demanding dynamic movements. If you think the stresses on the shoulder are too great with the kipping pull up, then the stresses put on your shoulder from basic ring swinging will tear your labrum just thinking about it. Giants are even further out of reach. There is no time component, so gymnasts don't do them because it is a more efficient way of getting over the bar or on top of the rings.

The shoulders can be properly prepared for high rep kipping pull ups, I think the major problem is doing too many reps too soon without ever having done the preparation work (beat swings + strict pull-up work).

Same with dips, work on a solid ring support first, then strict ring dips, then swinging support, then you can begin swinging dip progressions.

I agree, the jumping pull up is a conditioning tool only. It has very little to do with a pull-up of any kind.
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Old 04-29-2011, 09:33 AM   #10
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Re: jumping pull ups versus kipping pull ups

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Enlighten me.

The purpose of a pullup is to get your chin over or chest to the bar.

The purpose of a kipping pullup is to do this faster.

What's the largely different purpose that I'm missing?
The purpose of the strict pull up is to get stronger.

The purpose of the kipping is to be F'n Eleet!!!!
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