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Old 05-26-2010, 11:36 AM   #81
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Re: Vegan Paleo

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Pet peeve number 1, people who don'tknow the difference between an acronym and an intialization. Pet peeve number 2, poeple trying to pronounce intialization as words.
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:00 PM   #82
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Re: Vegan Paleo

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Not very many posts about vegan and paleo

http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=7363
http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=8298
http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=25452
http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?p=234445

ANd that doesn't include the links in those threads to various other sources.

Renee wasn't referring to this topic when she said there hasn't been good ino since may 2009, she meant all topics. I"ve only been here for about 2.5 years and I've seen about every thread repeat about a dozen times. I tired going into the older posts, but it just makes me sad; Rip and Glenn and Everett discussing bio mechanics of squats and trap bar deadlifts, Robb WOlf discussing nutrition, Coach chiming in every so often. Hell you even have pre-kb, pre-yoga Rant.
wow, those were the golden days, eh?
how about we all try and match the level of professionalism and commitment of those CF forum members before us who left such a legacy and example and have gone on to continue to do great things!
I know I have a lot to learn and a long road to travel before being at their level...

To the OP: I did not mean to bash your veganism or question your moral beliefs, just sharing what I have found to be useful. If you choose to be vegan out of an ethical or moral conviction, all I can do is respect that. If you are doing it out of a belief it will make you healthier I have to say, based on my limited understanding, that it is not an optimal way to achieve health or fitness.
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:11 PM   #83
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Re: Vegan Paleo

www.mikemahler.com WFS

This guy pulls it off, I don't know exactly how, but I eat chicken and steak so I don't care enough to find out.
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:19 PM   #84
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Re: Vegan Paleo

Here's something from the same guy:

http://www.mikemahler.com/articles/vegan_diet.html WFS
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:47 PM   #85
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Here's something from the same guy:

http://www.mikemahler.com/articles/vegan_diet.html WFS
This is what he recommends for vegan protein:

Almonds, 7-8 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Pistachios 7 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Pumpkin Seeds 11 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Sunflower Seeds 8 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Hempseeds 11 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Almond Butter 8 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Peanut Butter 8 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Black Beans 8 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Lentils 8 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Garbanzo Beans 7 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Navy Beans 8 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Kidney Beans 7 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Pinto Beans 7 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO

So if you don't want to be paleo, I guess you have some options (beans, yuck).

If you want to be paleo and vegan, your only source of protein is nuts (and minuscule amounts in leafy vegetables). If you want to get 1g of protein per 1 lb of bodyweight like is sensible for most strength athletes, then the average adult male would have to be eating at least a pound of nuts a day.

I don't understand how that could possibly be good for anyone or their wallet.
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Old 05-27-2010, 03:43 AM   #86
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Re: Vegan Paleo

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This is what he recommends for vegan protein:

Almonds, 7-8 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Pistachios 7 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Pumpkin Seeds 11 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Sunflower Seeds 8 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Hempseeds 11 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Almond Butter 8 grams of protein per serving - PALEO
Peanut Butter 8 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Black Beans 8 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Lentils 8 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Garbanzo Beans 7 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Navy Beans 8 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Kidney Beans 7 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO
Pinto Beans 7 grams of protein per serving - NOT PALEO

So if you don't want to be paleo, I guess you have some options (beans, yuck).
Paleo man did eat legumes.

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If you want to be paleo and vegan, your only source of protein is nuts (and minuscule amounts in leafy vegetables). If you want to get 1g of protein per 1 lb of bodyweight like is sensible for most strength athletes, then the average adult male would have to be eating at least a pound of nuts a day.

I don't understand how that could possibly be good for anyone or their wallet.
As I already explained here (wfs) almost everything you eat contains protein and it all contributes to your daily protein requirement. Protein deficiency only becomes an issue if your calorie intake is inadequate or if you're dependant on limited on a range of low protein foods such as manioc (cassava) roots as is common in some of the poorer parts of the world. In the west protein deficiency is simply a none issue providing your diet is reasonably varied and sufficient calories are consumed to meet energy needs.
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Old 05-27-2010, 05:34 AM   #87
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Re: Vegan Paleo

Everyone has suggested Mahler and I agree with the suggestion. Heck, while you are looking at his nutrition stuff take a look at his training stuff. I have a DVD and an ebook and would recommend them both. He is a beast.

But also take a look at Jon Hinds of Monkeybar Gym. He and Mahler are buddies and Mahler contributes to Monkeybar on occasion. Zack Even-Esh, who contributes to Crossfit on occasion, described Hinds as a guy "who had the strength of a Silver Back and conditioning that never quit." Not bad for a vegan.

The point being that a vegan lifestyle is not for me. Plus, I don't think there is any real justification to being one. As the "Vegetarian Myth" points out, there are no health, moral, or environmental reasons which make a vegan lifestyle a superior choice. It is, however, a legitimate personal choice. And one in which you can be a physical beast with. Just not a Paleo Physical beast.

http://monkeybargym.com/nutrition.html WFS
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:08 AM   #88
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Re: Vegan Paleo

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Paleo man did eat legumes.
Yes, just very sparingly. Which is why they are excluded from the paleo diet.


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As I already explained here (wfs) almost everything you eat contains protein and it all contributes to your daily protein requirement. Protein deficiency only becomes an issue if your calorie intake is inadequate or if you're dependant on limited on a range of low protein foods such as manioc (cassava) roots as is common in some of the poorer parts of the world. In the west protein deficiency is simply a none issue providing your diet is reasonably varied and sufficient calories are consumed to meet energy needs.
The protein requirement for a well-muscled strength athlete differs greatly from the protein requirement for a non-active person who is simply interested in surviving. I already offered a personal anecdote that my training suffers tremendously if I do not obtain about 150g of protein per day, except when I'm doing strictly endurance training. I'm sure bodybuilders, powerlifters, rugby players, and other athletes can offer the same.

Protein deficiency may not be a problem on a vegan-paleo diet per se, but it's widely accepted that non-endurance-based athletes need significantly more protein than the average person in order to perform at their best.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:23 AM   #89
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Protein deficiency only becomes an issue if your calorie intake is inadequate
Can you explain more behind this ?
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:44 AM   #90
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Re: Vegan Paleo

Veganism itself isnt Paleo...I wouldnt contridict anyones religious beliefs (Hindu's, idk any other but im sure thier are some), but if it isnt the path toward eternal salvation or something than not eating meat is crazy! Our ancestors did not think it was mean to kill what they needed to survive. After all they more than likely learned from observing nature. Tiger gets hungry...Tiger rips apart whatever it can catch, kill, and eat. Man gets hungry...does the same thing...man gets hungry again, gets smarter uses weapons, traps, works in packs, whatever works for the desired effect of getting some food. So IMO saying your a Vegan Paleo is to me, like saying I eat meat...but im vegan.
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