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Old 09-22-2009, 04:55 AM   #21
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Re: Randy vs Vera

Imagine if baseball, football, or whatever other sport picked matches on profit potential rather than rankings and what that would do to credibility. All sports are a business and therefore, that point holds no weight. Again, randy is a great fighter but he is the only guy that just gets to pick and choose his fights at will. Boxing is a cluster, however, I was merely pointing out that the road to a title is much harder and a little more prestigious. I love MMA, but the ranking system and scoring system need to be fixed.
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Old 09-22-2009, 06:41 AM   #22
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Re: Randy vs Vera

Dana always says he will put on the fights that the people want to see. In this case, it's to fill a void in their main event.
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Old 09-22-2009, 12:44 PM   #23
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Re: Randy vs Vera

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Like I said randy is a great fighter and puts on great shows, he is a legend. That being said he should not be able to pick and choose fights based on who he thinks he can out game plan.

If you compare ranking systems in boxing to MMA, the path to an MMA title is about 2-3 fights, Andre Berto fought like 24 fights, no loses, 19 ko before a title shot. MMA has fighters off a reality show fighting the champs. MMA just picks and chooses fights off PPV sells rather then off any kind of ranking system.



P.S. Severn fought like two months ago and shamrock earlier this year.
Severn did, really? Was it a title shot? In the UFC? Wow. I must have missed it.

My comment on Shamrock was tongue in cheek.

Let's not go there with Boxing. IBF, WBO, WBA, WBC, WTF?

I love boxing. But it does not have a proven track record for putting up "contenders" to challenge for titles.

Who did George Foreman fight (after his "second retirement") before he fought Holyfield... then after he couldn't beat him, he went for the WBO title shot, and who did he fight for the title??? Tommy Morrison!



Who did Tyson fight (and beat) prior to getting a title shot against Lennox Lewis?

Come on. That was ALL reputation - nothing earned.



It is a BUSINESS -- period.
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:24 PM   #24
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Severn did, really? Was it a title shot? In the UFC? Wow. I must have missed it.
Severn didn't fight in the UFC. He's fighting in random little shows mostly in the mid-west. He also got his butt handed to him.
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:33 PM   #25
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Re: Randy vs Vera

Word Up Sean, Boxing got NOTHING on MMA as far as matchmaking! Their champs are built against weaker competition so they can boast a perfect or near perfect record. Their contender format is A LOT more business oriented than MMA, and that says a lot.

MMA, represented mostly by the UFC, put up fights that are EXCITING, and that's what any fighting fan (MMA or Boxing) wants to see; it's that simple. Now, do they capitalize on fighters' big names? Of course they do, and they should! But by no means do they build a title fight just on name alone. That's a big part of why MMA has outgrown boxing: consistently good match ups: not just by name, but by exciting opponents and styles, or by track record. Most of the time is by ALL of the above!

GSPs' last 3 title challengers all had a very solid record: Thiago Alves (7 straight wins), BJ Penn (3 straight wins AND the current LW champ), John Fitch (8 straight wins, a record at the time).

BJs' last title defense was against Florian, who won 6 consecutive fights. Before him was Sean Sherk, who had won 3 straight and was the previous champion.

Anderson Silva's last defense was against Thales Leites, who had won 5 consecutive fights. Before him was Cote, who had also won 5 straight. Before him was Dan Henderson, the last Pride MW champ. Before him was the former MW champ Rich Franklin in a rematch. Before him was Nate Marquadt who is a former Pancrase champ and who won 6 in a row before challenging for the title.

Machida had a perfect record when he fought for the title (14-0 ). The guy he beat, Rashad, also had a perfect record (14-0 ) when he fought for the title.

The only two guys who recently got an undeserving title shot, based on name and definately NOT on their fight record, were Forrest Griffin and Brock Lesnar.

How can anyone, particularly boxing, argue the merits of title fights match ups in MMA/UFC???
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:11 PM   #26
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Severn didn't fight in the UFC. He's fighting in random little shows mostly in the mid-west. He also got his butt handed to him.
Well, there it is, then.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:14 PM   #27
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Word Up Sean, Boxing got NOTHING on MMA as far as matchmaking! Their champs are built against weaker competition so they can boast a perfect or near perfect record. Their contender format is A LOT more business oriented than MMA, and that says a lot.

MMA, represented mostly by the UFC, put up fights that are EXCITING, and that's what any fighting fan (MMA or Boxing) wants to see; it's that simple. Now, do they capitalize on fighters' big names? Of course they do, and they should! But by no means do they build a title fight just on name alone. That's a big part of why MMA has outgrown boxing: consistently good match ups: not just by name, but by exciting opponents and styles, or by track record. Most of the time is by ALL of the above!

GSPs' last 3 title challengers all had a very solid record: Thiago Alves (7 straight wins), BJ Penn (3 straight wins AND the current LW champ), John Fitch (8 straight wins, a record at the time).

BJs' last title defense was against Florian, who won 6 consecutive fights. Before him was Sean Sherk, who had won 3 straight and was the previous champion.

Anderson Silva's last defense was against Thales Leites, who had won 5 consecutive fights. Before him was Cote, who had also won 5 straight. Before him was Dan Henderson, the last Pride MW champ. Before him was the former MW champ Rich Franklin in a rematch. Before him was Nate Marquadt who is a former Pancrase champ and who won 6 in a row before challenging for the title.

Machida had a perfect record when he fought for the title (14-0 ). The guy he beat, Rashad, also had a perfect record (14-0 ) when he fought for the title.

The only two guys who recently got an undeserving title shot, based on name and definately NOT on their fight record, were Forrest Griffin and Brock Lesnar.

How can anyone, particularly boxing, argue the merits of title fights match ups in MMA/UFC???
Well said, Celio.

I wasn't even thinking about the lighter divisions... which in the UFC (and MMA in general) are FAR deeper than their boxing counterparts.
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:36 PM   #28
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Re: Randy vs Vera

Here is an article from sherdog (a real good read!) written by a former long-time boxing writer who saw the writing on the wall many years ago and moved on to MMA writing. The article is on the money! Enjoy...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...you-lost-19810 (W/FS)

2nd page: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...You-Lost-19810 (W/FS)
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:49 AM   #29
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Here is an article from sherdog (a real good read!) written by a former long-time boxing writer who saw the writing on the wall many years ago and moved on to MMA writing. The article is on the money! Enjoy...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...you-lost-19810 (W/FS)

2nd page: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...You-Lost-19810 (W/FS)
I read this over there (Sherdog) too. Good stuff.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:52 AM   #30
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Re: Randy vs Vera

Thanks for the link, Celio -- that was a good read.
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