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Old 05-26-2009, 04:42 PM   #11
William Lightner
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Re: Herniated Disc at L4-L5...need help!

Rob,
Sorry for your suffering.

Ten or twelve years ago I blew out L4/L5. The surgeon told me nerves were pushed out of my spine. Also, tissue from the disk was in the nerve channel. Without this guy I'm in a wheel chair. All that I had in my hand when it blew was a cigar.

Recently, I went to a spine specialist for another matter. An MRI showed us what was going on, and that I need not worry about the minor pain I feel in my limbs. No guessing. No lengthly PT. This visit is important to my post in that I would tell everyone to see a specialist. Don't screw around. These people have all the technology and methods to get you back to your life asap.

Why deadlift?

I'm 58. I got out of the military breathing fire. Did my work and family thing for many years. Twenty-five years later the fire was cold. Got weak and meek. Deadlifting put T back in my blood. My numbers wouldn't impress anyone, but I'm lovin' it. While I'm not breathing fire, the chest is out again. I haven't felt this happy about living in many years. Deadlifting and cleaning can be a bit dangerous. But the alternative is pretending to be tough and getting out of the way.

Rob, you can get fixed. I would recommend to avoid negativity. Just turn your back to it. I wouldn't recommend hitting the iron again. That's not for me to say. But you wouldn't junk a car because the alternator failed. You'd get it fixed and get to work.

Wild Bill

BTW, my affiliate is CrossfitCoastal in Wilmington, NC. All credit to the coaches for teaching me how to lift.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:59 PM   #12
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Re: Herniated Disc at L4-L5...need help!

mckenzie press

i didnt know (until this post) thats what they called it

in yoga world its cobra pose

i ended up propping pillows on bed is sort of a wedge and slept/ recovered alot in similar position

i find myself in same after HEAVY dead days (eg coan phillipi)

so +10 on the mckenzie/ cobra
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:13 AM   #13
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Re: Herniated Disc at L4-L5...need help!

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Rob,
Deadlifting and cleaning can be a bit dangerous. But the alternative is pretending to be tough and getting out of the way.

This is ridiculous. If you don't deadlift then you are just pretending and you can't have the fire??? There are tons of ways to strengthen your back and every other part of your body. Many are way safer than deadlifts. If the guy wants to deadlift again, then its fine and he should. But to say if he doesn't get back into deadlifting he is just giving up and pretending is really unfair.

Medically the OP is at a very critical time for his back. Trying to get the fire back and jumping back into something can really put him in a bad spot for the rest of his life. Backs are very tricky and what we know about them in the medical/PT/chiro world is not much. The reason there are 5000 different treatments for back pain is because none of them work very well. If one did, everybody would do it. Take it slow and listen to someone you trust and find what works for you. It may seem like forever, but you'll get back to lifting soon enough.
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:27 AM   #14
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Re: Herniated Disc at L4-L5...need help!

Hey Rob,
I would echo the MacKenzie prone extension replies above in the time frame you're now in with your injury. McGill's "big 3" stabilization exercises are the way out of the box over the long run. Loss of the lordotic (reverse) curve under a load in the future, whether it's with DL at the gym, picking up your socks at home or sitting slumped in a chair will increase the likelihood of future occurrences. I put together a video based website for the benefit of my patients which explains the etiology of disc injury from a MacKenzie perspective and stabilization exercises based on Stu McGill's work. You're welcome to visit at FixYourOwnBack.com and hopefully will find some benefit.

For some inspiration on lifting with a disc injury, check out Jerzy Gregorek's website www.thehappybody.com.

Hope you feel a bit better.

Phillip Snell, DC
Portland, OR
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:37 AM   #15
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Re: Herniated Disc at L4-L5...need help!

Jason,

Guess you are right about not needing to deadlift to feel strong. I can be clumsy. My apologies.
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Old 05-29-2009, 04:30 AM   #16
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Re: Herniated Disc at L4-L5...need help!

William,

Not meant as a slam on you, sorry. I just know the feeling of wanting to jump right back in to "defeat" the injury. Just want to make sure the OP knows that he can strengthen his back in other ways while in the acute injury phase and that deadlifting could be very dangerous for him now and possibly in the future. He is at a critical stage for his injury and in my opinion should just completely forget about deadlifting for a while and focus on healing properly. Deadlifting will come, but give it time.

I STRONGLY believe that without strong multifidus muscles and core you will continue to live with pain. For me, deadlift is not the way to get that. I have very long levers and the torque is just too much for me to risk. Its two steps forward, injury, three steps back for me. Perfect form is hard to achieve on every single lift, especially when breathing hard. For me, without perfect form, my long levers whack me good.

The timing is important, but there are SO MANY confusing sources of info out there. For me, what has worked in this my acute injury phase: 1. extension exercises and flexion avoidance 2. multifidus and core strengthening. I think the rest is a crap shoot- traction, vax D, epidural steroids (which is what I do for a living), surgery, rolfing, etc etc etc. It may work great for people, but it may not. But I feel #1 and #2 will work well and benefit most people with posterior disc problems (a bulging or herniated disc).

Again, was not trying to be down on you, William. I know your intention was to give hope to the OP. Sorry if I came across that way.
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Old 03-27-2010, 07:13 PM   #17
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Re: Herniated Disc at L4-L5...need help!

Hi Jason,
Just out of curiousity,do you have any opinion on training with kettlebells for those who have suffered posterior herniations??

I blew out my L4-L5 from excessive kicking on the heavy bag and had stopped lifting for a couple of years.I trained in Pilates and my back is thankfully stronger than it ever was.I just started squatting again,and was considering adding deadlifts.Several people have told me I would be far better off incorporating kettlebells into my training as opposed to deadlifts.FYI,I am 6'4" with long levers as well.Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Allan


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William,

Not meant as a slam on you, sorry. I just know the feeling of wanting to jump right back in to "defeat" the injury. Just want to make sure the OP knows that he can strengthen his back in other ways while in the acute injury phase and that deadlifting could be very dangerous for him now and possibly in the future. He is at a critical stage for his injury and in my opinion should just completely forget about deadlifting for a while and focus on healing properly. Deadlifting will come, but give it time.

I STRONGLY believe that without strong multifidus muscles and core you will continue to live with pain. For me, deadlift is not the way to get that. I have very long levers and the torque is just too much for me to risk. Its two steps forward, injury, three steps back for me. Perfect form is hard to achieve on every single lift, especially when breathing hard. For me, without perfect form, my long levers whack me good.

The timing is important, but there are SO MANY confusing sources of info out there. For me, what has worked in this my acute injury phase: 1. extension exercises and flexion avoidance 2. multifidus and core strengthening. I think the rest is a crap shoot- traction, vax D, epidural steroids (which is what I do for a living), surgery, rolfing, etc etc etc. It may work great for people, but it may not. But I feel #1 and #2 will work well and benefit most people with posterior disc problems (a bulging or herniated disc).

Again, was not trying to be down on you, William. I know your intention was to give hope to the OP. Sorry if I came across that way.
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