CrossFit Discussion Board  

Go Back   CrossFit Discussion Board > CrossFit Forum > Fitness
CrossFit Home Forum Site Rules CrossFit FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Fitness Theory and Practice. CrossFit's rationale & foundations. Who is fit? What is fitness?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-04-2008, 08:04 PM   #61
Gary Valentine
Member Gary Valentine is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Wilton  CT
Posts: 9
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

wow, such ignorance. has he produced an Olympic lifter yet, after all his talk and pretending to know so much about it? talk about a little bit of learning being dangerous! top level athletes need evry advantage they can get from the weight room, so yes, full sqaut cleans with big wieghts explosively develop the body to the highest degree. its usually those that dont know how to teach them that think they cant be learned by other athletes.

this is the SAID principle being totally misapplied, something that is becoming very common unfortunately. so now the experts tell us we shouldnt even pick up a bar from the floor! well how do they get it to the hang in the first place?! heres another viewpoint- reminds of a a lifter that came to me to learn to compete in OL. he could hang clean good weights, but never did the full lifts because his schools "strnegth coach" said the second pull was more powerful so thats all they did. when i asked him to show me how he got the bar to the hang, he bent over and picked it up with a horrible, rounded back. i said "your coach watched you pick up a bar like that for 4 years?" ignorance to the point of stupidiity.

If you called it core strnegth and stability to practice holding the neutral spine in the first pull, then you'll have enouch buzz words for these experts to allow you to do it. and yes FULL cleans. period. its ok to pull, its ok to sqaut, but God forbid you do them one after another and call it a sqaut clean! you'ld be practicing action/reaction, focus, timing and coordination - no athlete needs that! Louies used some OL principles - from his trips to russia early in his career-to produce some good plers. he's off base here saying full cleans should not be recommended to other sports athletes. -g
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 05:09 PM   #62
John Seiler
Affiliate John Seiler is offline
 
John Seiler's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: St. Louis  MO
Posts: 1,687
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt DeMinico View Post
No, sprinters aren't "in the hole" when they start out. You show me a sprinter who starts where both legs are calves to hamstrings, and I'll show you one slow sprinter off the start. Similarly, none of those other sports are "in the hole" when the movement starts either. But, weightlifting, the movement starts much lower than those other sports, hence the "slow" (controlled being a better word) initial pull.
Who said anything about "in the hole"? I'm talking about instantly firing the muscles regardless of starting point.
__________________
www.gatewaycrossfit.com
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 05:41 PM   #63
David Wood
Departed David Wood is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Oct 2002
 
Posts: 3,303
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

When the weight gets heavy, I'm coming off the floor with everything I've got. It may look slow and controlled (heck, it probably *is* slow), but I ain't trying to make it so . . .
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 09:03 PM   #64
Jason Staples
Member Jason Staples is offline
 
Jason Staples's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Durham  NC
Posts: 52
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Valentine View Post
wow, such ignorance. has he produced an Olympic lifter yet, after all his talk and pretending to know so much about it? talk about a little bit of learning being dangerous!
Um, I think that's actually his point. He's not trying to produce Olympic lifters -- he's training athletes for specific sports. There's a difference between the two, and he's just pointing out one of the differences.
__________________
26/6'1/209
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 09:22 PM   #65
George Mounce
Banned for Ethical and Integrity Violations George Mounce is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Steens  MS
Posts: 3,295
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

So do you all agree yet, he's doing something for a sport which per coach is the highest level of expression. He saying this works for a specific function. Great! I'm all for that. Sport is specific, fine train specifically for it. I would rather be in the top 20% of any sport than be good at just one though, so I'm going to continue to train for anything that may come up in life.

Here was the image I made from the last cert.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1.../Hierarchy.jpg
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 10:50 PM   #66
Howard Wilcox
Affiliate Howard Wilcox is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Forsyth  GA
Posts: 780
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

George,

Just for clarity on the diagram...does "weighlifting" there mean specifically olympic lifting or does that include all lifting of external resistance (i.e. powerlifting, kettlebells, etc)?

Thanks...


howard
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 01:48 AM   #67
Alex Blum
Member Alex Blum is offline
 
Alex Blum's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Greenville  NC
Posts: 109
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

this thread is kind of chock full of armchair quarterbacks second guessing one of the best strength training minds of our era, calling him a liar, ignorant, et cetera . . . kind of blows my mind
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 05:32 AM   #68
Joey Powell
Member Joey Powell is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Prescott  AZ
Posts: 569
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

Yup. Surprising actually.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 08:35 AM   #69
Steven Low
Member Steven Low is offline
 
Steven Low's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: silver spring  maryland
Posts: 12,221
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Blum View Post
this thread is kind of chock full of armchair quarterbacks second guessing one of the best strength training minds of our era, calling him a liar, ignorant, et cetera . . . kind of blows my mind
There's nothing wrong with that IF he doesn't provide an explanation.

Statements without backup or support should not be taken seriously no matter who they're coming from.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 08:55 AM   #70
Alexander Kornishev
Member Alexander Kornishev is offline
 
Alexander Kornishev's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Newmarket  Ontario
Posts: 1,617
Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

yep, I just do not see how full Olympic lifts are not good for me
__________________
43/5'9"/180 SP: 195, BS: 425, DL: 500, Clean: 285, Jerk: 265, Snatch: 200, Fran: 2:19
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Louie Simmons on H.I.T. Howard Wilcox Fitness 11 03-03-2008 08:16 PM
Crossfit Women Question - Good Sports Bras? Emily Mattes Equipment 6 01-10-2008 09:59 AM
Recomend a good Sports Injury Doc in Chicago Burbs? Matthew Albanese Injuries 1 05-10-2006 03:30 PM
Olympic Athletes taking on new sports Jeremy Jones Fitness 0 02-07-2006 10:08 AM
Olympic Lifts - is there a good book? Beth Moscov Exercises 18 08-13-2004 08:48 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
CrossFit is a registered trademark of CrossFit Inc.