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Old 04-22-2008, 06:53 AM   #131
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

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Could there possibly be another method for increasing your sprinting speed without stressing the wrists and elbows, both of which are already highly taxed by the athletes practice?
Um, yeah; sprinting.
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Old 04-22-2008, 06:56 AM   #132
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

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Even if it doesn't come close? Really? So maybe next time I want to increase my sprinting i'll take a few laps in the pool, just so i can "teach it to work as a complete system". Which athletic movement doesn't require the body to work as a complete system? The difference is merely the degree of efficiency.
Yeah, go ahead, if you can better coordinate your entire body while swimming, the better you can coordinate your body in all movements. It's just like the kipping pullup, it takes coordination to send the wave of movement through your entire body, and that coordination will help you learn other movements too.

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I'm not denying that there is no carry over in the Olympic lifts. It's undeniable. The question is the cost/benefit. Athletes don't train in a vacuum and they do have a limited amount of energy to which they can devote to strength training. Can a tennis player benefit from Olympic lifts? Probably, but I'd say the difference would be marginal, if any.

I'm just amazed at the one size fits all mentality for the Olympic lifts. Just because Olympic lifters beat out sprinters in a trial between specialists does not mean that Olympic lifts will procure the same benefits to athletes that are integrating the lifts in a small fraction of their training time. Federer could potentially Oly lift twice a week, but it's not going to shave off 2/10 of a second from his ability to get from one side of the court to the other.

Thinking the results of elite specialists will transfer over into an athlete whose body type, fiber distribution, and schedule load is completely different is just illogical.
Well, I disagree still, I think just about anything you learn can be applied just about anywhere else. The coordination is huge, and if you can learn to coordinate your body in a lot of different ways, then in the uncertainty of sporting competition, you'll be better prepared.

Plus, if we're still talking about sprinting, then yeah, I think olympic lifting definitely helps.
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Old 04-22-2008, 07:13 AM   #133
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

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Yeah, go ahead, if you can better coordinate your entire body while swimming, the better you can coordinate your body in all movements. It's just like the kipping pullup, it takes coordination to send the wave of movement through your entire body, and that coordination will help you learn other movements too.



Well, I disagree still, I think just about anything you learn can be applied just about anywhere else. The coordination is huge, and if you can learn to coordinate your body in a lot of different ways, then in the uncertainty of sporting competition, you'll be better prepared.

Plus, if we're still talking about sprinting, then yeah, I think olympic lifting definitely helps.
I think the important thing here is for us to differentiate between elite athletes and "average Joes" such as ourselves. Daniel kind of hit on this and I think he's right. Overall, I believe the oly lifts would give more of an edge to an amateur athlete vs. a pro. The pro is already a genetic freak who doesn't need to develop coordination. Sure, power development is important but in a lot of sports (i.e., tennis) power is going to be a result of proper technique.

Now when you talk about average Joes, power may be a bigger advantage because you are dealing with "less athletic" individuals. Strength/conditioning, etc. can compensate for a lack of athleticism and can be the differences between winning and losing moreso than with pros, whos athletic gifts can take them over the top.

Not to downplay the importance of S&C in the pros [and hard work for that matter], because it is essential to staying competitive, but on that level, it all boils down to talent.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:54 AM   #134
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

Wow. I can't believe I read that whole thread!!

I started out reading it really slowly, then sped up through the middle portion, and exploded through the last few pages.

Damn, it's lunch time.
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Old 04-23-2008, 09:31 AM   #135
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Average Joe just like The Junkyard Dog.

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